Real reason behind Singapore’s obsession with tuition

[buds]

limlim:

oxyleo:

It is evident not everyone's experiences are the same. Do note we may all be comparing experiences occurring within different timelines. Some of us have kids who are already working adults. Some have kids who are too young or in lower pri to even fathom the stress encountered in upp Pri. Some don't even get involved with teaching their children. Hopefully we can all try to understand from the experiences shared by everyone here in its rightful context.


If we are always stuck in an air-con room, it's going to be difficult to understand someone's complaint about the horrific sweltering heat.

If we are used to driving or being chauffeured around, it is going to be difficult to understand why some people complain about bus delays in the sweltering heat. We may want to try it for ourselves first before brushing it off as a complaint. It is also way different if you are dressed in exercise gear for a leisurely run, and shower thereafter, vs perspiring in the heat when you are dressed in work attire heading for the next 10 hours of work. Very, very different experiences.

If we visit The Marketplace at Tanglin Mall for weekly grocery shopping, we are not going to understand why everyone else seems to complain how overcrowded every other mall seems to be on weekends.

:goodpost:

Good post here...? :skeptical:

limlim:

Nothing is more cheap then saying \"you are not a teacher so cannot understand the difficulties of being a teacher etc etc..\"

However, I would say I'll probably jump at the opportunity if offered a teaching position years ago..

Teachers are not lowly paid.. their salary is highly competitive and better than what many MNC offers.

If being teachers is undesirable, why the MOE podium outside the interview room got no lack of applicants..


Sure..

We are not ministers so we can never understand why minister MUST be paid millions to conclude that \"no amount of engineering can prevent it\".

IF being a teacher is so TOUGH like some of the pple here say.. how can they ever afford the extra energy to moonlight? doesn't makes sense to me..

Maybe.. moonlighting helps them to \"relax\" from the stressful school activities.....

It's like saying.. do more part-time work.. it will let you relax from your full time job.

Cheap here?

Humans are full of contradiction. :roll:

[buds]

LOLMum:

Clone this teacher....

There are plenty. Just that the seemingly not so good ones shared have clouded the many very exemplary ones.

In both the schools my DD has attended/still attending... the Principals and Vice-principals themselves echo their vision of not encouraging external tuition for all the students.

\"Whatever the students need to learn, they can get it here in schools.. from our teachers. So that when school's over, they get to rest and play and be the children that they are.\"

In class, my children both raved that all their subject teachers welcome questions. Their teachers constantly remind them, \"If still cannot understand, please ask... we will go through again together.\"

[buds]

oxyleo:

It is evident not everyone's experiences are the same. Do note we may all be comparing experiences occurring within different timelines. Some of us have kids who are already working adults. Some have kids who are too young or in lower pri to even fathom the stress encountered in upp Pri. Some don't even get involved with teaching their children. Hopefully we can all try to understand from the experiences shared by everyone here in its rightful context.


If we are always stuck in an air-con room, it's going to be difficult to understand someone's complaint about the horrific sweltering heat.

If we are used to driving or being chauffeured around, it is going to be difficult to understand why some people complain about bus delays in the sweltering heat. We may want to try it for ourselves first before brushing it off as a complaint. It is also way different if you are dressed in exercise gear for a leisurely run, and shower thereafter, vs perspiring in the heat when you are dressed in work attire heading for the next 10 hours of work. Very, very different experiences.

If we visit The Marketplace at Tanglin Mall for weekly grocery shopping, we are not going to understand why everyone else seems to complain how overcrowded every other mall seems to be on weekends.

VERY :goodpost:, oxyleo!

[verykiasu2010]

limlim:

verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]Hi daisyt,

I see no reason how I can possibly approach the P or HOD.
My son is still studying in the school. All I can say is it is really pointless. Sorry if this is selfish but my hands are tied.

ya you tied your own hands

but since there is no reason then nothing to complain about

If the recruit wants to complain against the PC, he must feedback to/via the PC.. does it makes sense to you?[/quote]if the teacher is not teaching, first level of complain is to the principal or the HOD

[buds]

janet_lee88:

1) If your child's teacher presumes the class has already learnt the topic and throws them worksheets, will you get a tutor ?

No. We'll clarify with teacher first if topic was never covered in the first place.

janet_lee88:

2) If your child's teacher finishes a science topic in 1 lesson, will you be afraid ?

Afraid? No. But once again, will clarify with teacher.
No Science topic can be fully covered in a half hour lesson. :siao:

janet_lee88:

This is happening.

:hugs: to you, janet_lee88.

Thankfully we've never come across this scenario.
Not even amongst our friends' children. Hopefully never. :xedfingers:

[verykiasu2010]

buds:

LOLMum:

Clone this teacher....

There are plenty. Just that the seemingly not so good ones shared have clouded the many very exemplary ones.

In both the schools my DD has attended/still attending... the Principals and Vice-principals themselves echo their vision of not encouraging external tuition for all the students.

\"Whatever the students need to learn, they can get it here in schools.. from our teachers. So that when school's over, they get to rest and play and be the children that they are.\"

In class, my children both raved that all their subject teachers welcome questions. Their teachers constantly remind them, \"If still cannot understand, please ask... we will go through again together.\"

the truth hurts

[limlim]

buds:

limlim:

[quote=\"oxyleo\"]It is evident not everyone's experiences are the same.


If we are always stuck in an air-con room, it's going to be difficult to understand someone's complaint about the horrific sweltering heat.

If we are used to driving or being chauffeured around, it is going to be difficult to understand why some people complain about bus delays in the sweltering heat.

If we visit The Marketplace at Tanglin Mall for weekly grocery shopping, we are not going to understand why everyone else seems to complain how overcrowded every other mall seems to be on weekends.

:goodpost:

Good post here...? :skeptical:

limlim:

Nothing is more cheap then saying \"you are not a teacher so cannot understand the difficulties of being a teacher etc etc..\"

Cheap here?

Humans are full of contradiction. :roll:[/quote]
I don't see any contradictions..

In oxyleo's post,

It is about experiences between the rich and the poor. Being rich and being poor is very very different. The ones in ivory tower should not simply dismiss the poor's difficulties as baseless complains.

Those who are NOT working should not say it is easy to be a teacher/worker.

In my post, the main context is about a profession, a job, a work. Every job that are paid, carries some responsibilities and duties and difficulties.

I never say, teachers have no difficulties. That would be untrue. But, My point is, there are many jobs that involves comparable, if not higher level, difficulties than being a teacher.

In the position of someone who is a working adult, I say it is cheap excuse to simply say \"you are not a teacher so cannot understand the difficulties of being a teacher etc etc..\".

EVERY job can be difficult (depend on individual's tolerance).

Using \"job difficulties\" as an excuse to dismiss failure to perform, what can be more cheap than that? WHEN there are many professions out there that demands comparable, if not exceeding, difficulties and responsibilities..

[limlim]

of coz many of us do not have the experiences of being a schools teacher..


does that means parents should not have basic expectations of a teacher?

Does that mean teacher can use job difficulties to justify the failure to deliver?

Can anyone in ANY profession(Not limited to teachers) use job difficulties to justify the failure to deliver?

if not, then, DON'T talk about job difficulties. it simply does not justify any failure to deliver!

That, is the key point that I want to put across in my post.

Please engage directly to this post if you want, and not twist words around.

[Sun_2010]

limlim:

of coz many of us do not have the experiences of being a schools teacher..


does that means parents should not have basic expectations of a teacher?

Does that mean teacher can use job difficulties to justify the failure to deliver?

Can anyone in ANY profession(Not limited to teachers) use job difficulties to justify the failure to deliver?

if not, then, DON'T talk about job difficulties. it simply does not justify any failure to deliver!

That, is the key point that I want to put across in my post.

Please engage directly to this post if you want, and not twist words around.

I interpretted oxyleo post as that of differnt experiences by parents - due to differences in schools/teachers, nature /ability of child and time ( now vs primary education say 5 or 10 years ago).

As a parent I may not understand why some people complain about teachers when the teachers in my child's school do not suggest tution, give reasonable homework, give a variety of resources to the kids . I may not understand why some people grumble that maths is so diff when my child can ace her exams with minimal help.

P5 /P3 Ca1/SA1 can be an eye opener for many . Parents reactions at the beginning can be one of shock/panic. but things fall into place towards the end of the year for many . So we need to understand things in the context.

[limlim]

Sun_2010:

I interpretted oxyleo post as that of differnt experiences by parents - due to differences in schools/teachers, nature /ability of child and time ( now vs primary education say 5 or 10 years ago).

I am not saying that all teachers are not doing their work.

I am saying difficulties should not be used as an excuse for those who failed to deliver.

And, they should not try to mitigate their inadequacies by saying that person not in their profession cannot understand how tough their work is, when difficulties are part and parcel of Every profession and experienced by everyone, generally speaking.

So.. your comment is quite irrelevant to my post leh..