Are you happy you have been heard by MOE...

[nansk]

limlim:

Will gender ratio tilt towards 1 side as more PR girls becoming citizens..?

Are you aware that sons of PRs are also required to serve NS? And yet there are lots of parents of sons who:
1. apply for PR
2. continue to live/work in Sg even after their sons turn 12.

That means, they are willing to let their sons serve NS - sons who may not go on to take Sg citizenship.

So, what you are implying is not necessarily true.

[janet88]

I hope MOE recognizes the hard work put in by teachers, increase their pay and outsource unnecessary work. When teachers are not burdened, they can put in their heart and soul to teach…hopefully.

Teachers teach others’ kids but hardly have any time for their own.

[concern2]

nansk:

limlim:

Will gender ratio tilt towards 1 side as more PR girls becoming citizens..?

Are you aware that sons of PRs are also required to serve NS? And yet there are lots of parents of sons who:
1. apply for PR
2. continue to live/work in Sg even after their sons turn 12.

That means, they are willing to let their sons serve NS - sons who may not go on to take Sg citizenship.

So, what you are implying is not necessarily true.

Are you sure? I don't believe.

[jheng]

[quote="leo"]Actually today I read the newspaper article about this and I feel sad. I know of a close friend who is PR. The increase of $50 per child will be significant to her. And it is not that she and her husband does not want to convert to citizen.


And I am sure there are more of this kind of cases.[/quote

Just curious, what is stopping your friend from converting to citizen then?

[concern2]

jheng:

leo:

Actually today I read the newspaper article about this and I feel sad. I know of a close friend who is PR. The increase of $50 per child will be significant to her. And it is not that she and her husband does not want to convert to citizen.


And I am sure there are more of this kind of cases.[/quote

Just curious, what is stopping your friend from converting to citizen then?

jheng, many cases I know is that they still think their homeland is home, not here. Singapore is only a place to make money. Every holiday, you see the long queue at the causeways, they're going to a place they call home.

[nansk]

concern2:

nansk:

[quote=\"limlim\"]Will gender ratio tilt towards 1 side as more PR girls becoming citizens..?

Are you aware that sons of PRs are also required to serve NS? And yet there are lots of parents of sons who:
1. apply for PR
2. continue to live/work in Sg even after their sons turn 12.

That means, they are willing to let their sons serve NS - sons who may not go on to take Sg citizenship.

So, what you are implying is not necessarily true.

Are you sure? I don't believe.[/quote]Which part do you not believe?

1. sons of PRs are also required to serve NS
This is the policy. Go check the Mindef web site.

2. parents of sons apply for PR
This also you cannot disbelieve, because Sg PRs do have sons. Go check with ICA if you still refuse to believe the statistics.

3. PRs continue to live/work in Sg even after their sons turn 12
For this, I only have anecdotal evidence. But even if there are only a handful of cases, those parents atleast, do choose to let their sons serve NS.

Surely you don't want allPRs to apply for citizenship?! :scared:
The population of Sg would increase to unsustainable levels.

[concern2]

nansk:

1. sons of PRs are also required to serve NS
This is the policy. Go check the Mindef web site.

I would have thought this would be voluntary. Do you have the link to the specific page? TIA. No hard feelings.

[nansk]

concern2:

nansk:

1. sons of PRs are also required to serve NS
This is the policy. Go check the Mindef web site.

I would have thought this would be voluntary. Do you have the link to the specific page? TIA. No hard feelings.

NS can never be \"voluntary\".
[quote]Under the Enlistment Act, all male Singapore Citizens and PRs are required to register for National Service (NS) at age 16½....
...This requirement applies also to male children who are granted PR status under their parents’ sponsorship. [/quote]From http://www.contactsingapore.sg/students/live/residency_and_citizenship/ and http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151.

[concern2]

nansk:

concern2:

[quote=\"nansk\"]
1. sons of PRs are also required to serve NS
This is the policy. Go check the Mindef web site.

I would have thought this would be voluntary. Do you have the link to the specific page? TIA. No hard feelings.

NS can never be \"voluntary\".
[quote]Under the Enlistment Act, all male Singapore Citizens and PRs are required to register for National Service (NS) at age 16½....
...This requirement applies also to male children who are granted PR status under their parents’ sponsorship. [/quote]From http://www.contactsingapore.sg/students/live/residency_and_citizenship/ and http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151.[/quote]Does this mean that the son of a parent with a Singapore PR status, even if he is living in other countries (e.g. US), has to come back at the age of 16 to register for NS?

[leo]

jheng:

leo:

Actually today I read the newspaper article about this and I feel sad. I know of a close friend who is PR. The increase of $50 per child will be significant to her. And it is not that she and her husband does not want to convert to citizen.


And I am sure there are more of this kind of cases.[/quote

Just curious, what is stopping your friend from converting to citizen then?

Hi, one of them just got the PR recently, and it is only after appeal by MP.