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ksi:
Ksi, :thankyou:Quote:
A more sensitive issue, however, is the perceived difference between citizens and permanent residents (PRs) when it comes to NS....
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The red highlighted part was the loophole on how second generation PRs got away with NS and 1/3 of them did so. The highlighted in orange, not sure if it is put in place yet as I cannot confirm the date of this article from ST.
So the 2 links that was provided isn't reflecting the latest considerations yet, I suppose. -
ksi:
I just read they do it by renouncing PR before enlistment, but I am not sure if this loophole has been patched though.[/quote]actually there are also citizens defaulter as well - skip town before enlistment and never step foot into SG soil ever sinceverykiasu2010:
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dependent not same as sponsorship
the son is dependent on the dad for economic reason, livelihood, food and shelter, love and care etc = dependent
no way to cut this type of \"sponsorship\" even if they live in separate country
therefore before the son becomes independent financially, enlisted into NS liao. no way to siam one. any one siam is classified as NS defaulter, just like citizen
if the son leaves before 16 and comes back later to apply PR, no way it will be approved, and before that, police at ICA check point will catch him as defaulter. he would have received notice of enlistment long before that -
That means citizen must die die serve NS, cannot denounce their citizenship before NS. What about those who are only born here but never live in Singapore since birth, is it rational for them to come back here just for NS?
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verykiasu2010:
You mean he would be like an exile, can never return home or face prosecution? Is it worth the while?
actually there are also citizens defaulter as well - skip town before enlistment and never step foot into SG soil ever since -
tigermum:
That means citizen must die die serve NS, cannot denounce their citizenship before NS. What about those who are only born here but never live in Singapore since birth, is it rational for them to come back here just for NS?
they are supposed to be back but some are permanent defaulter
they can't denounce the citizenship neither are they back, happy to be in limbo -
concern2:
they still live the good life out there, good job good pay, citizenship just a state of mind to them .....
You mean he would be like an exile, can never return home or face prosecution? Is it worth the while?verykiasu2010:
actually there are also citizens defaulter as well - skip town before enlistment and never step foot into SG soil ever since -
verykiasu2010:
they still live the good life out there, good job good pay, citizenship just a state of mind to them .....[/quote]I suppose, but it limits them in a way, doesn't it? Not entirely a free man, so to say, cannot represent their company to visit/deal in Singapore, cannot buy a property in Sentosa Cove....hehe, well, well, they prob have more choices than WE have..
You mean he would be like an exile, can never return home or face prosecution? Is it worth the while?concern2:
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actually there are also citizens defaulter as well - skip town before enlistment and never step foot into SG soil ever since
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concern2:
companies here will go over to visit him
I suppose, but it limits them in a way, doesn't it? Not entirely a free man, so to say, cannot represent their company to visit/deal in Singapore, cannot buy a property in Sentosa Cove....hehe, well, well, they prob have more choices than WE have..
property ? only miss out the singapore one but not the rest of the world -
concern2:
concern2, if there is no policy on stopping the renouncing of PR before enlistment in the 2 links, then it can be inferred that it has not been implemented yet.
Ksi, :thankyou:ksi:
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A more sensitive issue, however, is the perceived difference between citizens and permanent residents (PRs) when it comes to NS....
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The red highlighted part was the loophole on how second generation PRs got away with NS and 1/3 of them did so. The highlighted in orange, not sure if it is put in place yet as I cannot confirm the date of this article from ST.
So the 2 links that was provided isn't reflecting the latest considerations yet, I suppose. -
verykiasu2010:
Can't the relevant authority consider case-by-case basis whereby those people have never enjoyed any benefits from Singapore? Can they be consider permanent defaulters when they had left Singapore since birth?tigermum:
That means citizen must die die serve NS, cannot denounce their citizenship before NS. What about those who are only born here but never live in Singapore since birth, is it rational for them to come back here just for NS?
they are supposed to be back but some are permanent defaulter
they can't denounce the citizenship neither are they back, happy to be in limbo
Sorry, what is 'happy to be in limbo'?
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