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verykiasu2010:

zakashi:

Annabel Soh's looks and singing are many times better than Sun Ho. Do you know why Annabel is not given a chance to go to Hollywood for the crossover project?

she hasn't crossed over mah ........ also may be because she is ah Soh ...

all puns intended ...... joking joking

Erm erm....not everyone can do the dutty wine...okay.

[Way2GO]

verykiasu2010:

zakashi:

Annabel Soh's looks and singing are many times better than Sun Ho. Do you know why Annabel is not given a chance to go to Hollywood for the crossover project?

she hasn't crossed over mah ........ also may be because she is ah Soh ...

all puns intended ...... joking joking

kekeke
my take
d Sun is d centre of d Universe n it always shines bright
Annabel is an Ah Soh, a place where d Sun doesn't shine.
d choice is obvious! :rotflmao:

[Way2GO]

kwcllf:

Sun_2010:

Puff, Sorry but I do feel your post is frivolous.
I am not a buddhist but religion being a sensitive topic should be approached with respect even when we do not agree, understand or believe in practices.
There is beauty in world religions, let's live and let live.

I agree.

But just to answer his question, in Buddhism, Life and Death are cycles everyone will go through........as for the karma part, it is difficult to fully explain especially if you are from different religion. But as Sun_2010 said, don't be frivolous. Have respect please!

puff:

I am a buddhist ... I am sorry if I seem disrespect or have offended some.
There are many diff type of Buddhism ( Theravada , mahayana etc) even within the same religion there are diff interpret by individual. In Buddhism ,some may be more focus on Buddha teaching while others more focus on praying Guanyin ... Wat I post earlier is not meant to be an insult as I myself go to temple too but it is wat I belief

Sun 2010/kwcllf,
Concur dat RESPECTing one another's faith n beliefs is an imperative pre-requisite to religious harmony.
'No Kidding' shd hv thot of dis when he/she wrote his/her posts.

I actually found puff's response \"back to rebirth ( maybe this help in overcrowding situation in heaven too :rotflmao: ) amusing though perhaps frivolous.
No kidding!
I wld hv thot fr d forummer’s posts dat hell (not heaven) wld be overcrowded with all those infidels,
those unfortunate masses who lived n died before d coming of Christ,
those hordes of uncivilized barbarians in far flung corners of d Earth who nvr get to hear d Lord’s teachings n
those poor, poor cute animals condemned to damnation from birth.

One thing I truly appreciate about adherents of d Buddhist faith is dat
they don’t readily invoke d Lord (whatever one may call HIM in their beliefs) n Salvation
to condemn believers of other faiths or non-believers to damnation.

[tutormum]

On a lighter note, I read about this story and hope it lighten things a bit so don't :spank:

Two men went to a river and boarded two different boats. The first man is a Christian and was going to a church gathering while the other was meeting his friends who were throwing a party. However, it seemed that they boarded the wrong boats. When the Christian reached his destination, he was greeted by some merry makers holding a bottle of booze on one hand and a sexy young chick on the other. They were playing loud music and having a hell of a time. The Christian could only sit at a corner until the party was over. The other man went to the church gathering and saw a group of people singing hymns and praying. He was restless and waited till it was over. The two men boarded their boats and returned to their original destination. When they alighted from the boats, they exclaimed immediately \"Goodness gracious, I've just been to hell.\"
Just to share my own convictions here. Hell is not made for people. God made hell for the devil and his followers. Before Jesus came in the flesh, the Jews followed the laws of the prophets. They are saved through faith. Jesus came with a new covenant and we are living in the grace period whereby we are saved by believing in Jesus as our Lord. Questions were raised for those who never heard the gospel. Is it fair if they never heard and given a chance to choose and died without Christ? Bible is not very clear but I'm sure God has His way to reach out to them. I also learned that if a child died and was too young to make a decision for Christ, his spirit will go back to God who gives it which means the child is not held accountable. There is also a 1000 years reign after the rapture and I understand that the people will be given a chance to choose Christ. All these teachings are from various sources so please don't :spank: :rant: I'm just repeating what I've read and learnt. Everybody has their own interpretation of the bible and what they think is God's teachings. That's why so many different denominations. I think as a Christian my priority is to live a life that glorifies Christ. No point arguing over different doctrines. He is God and I'm not. When we go to heaven then we will fully understand what God's plan is.

1 Cor 13 v 8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Somebody pls correct me if I am wrong. :salute:

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empressplace:

puff:

(From wat i know ... Correct me if i am wrong )Buddhist belief that once reach enlightenment you will go nirvana which is like Chirstian heaven... However it is not eternity.... once good karma used up , will be back to rebirth ( maybe this help in overcrowding situation in heaven too :rotflmao: )

From the little I know of Buddhism, Nirvana is not like the Christian heaven. It is a state of mind free from suffering. Morality issues are not that significantly different among the different religions but the Buddhist world view is fundamentally different from a Christian world view. A Buddhist will be able to reach Nirvana and can only reach Nirvana from personal efforts. A person can only accept Christ to go to Heaven.

One who abides in Bodhi becomes a Buddha.
One who truly understands d WORD n abides in d Lord is one with God.
u see any difference?
I see no difference in d ultimate destination.
d difference is in d path taken n how d ultimate destination is reached.

[kiddo]

Way2GO:

empressplace:

[quote=\"puff\"](From wat i know ... Correct me if i am wrong )Buddhist belief that once reach enlightenment you will go nirvana which is like Chirstian heaven... However it is not eternity.... once good karma used up , will be back to rebirth ( maybe this help in overcrowding situation in heaven too :rotflmao: )

From the little I know of Buddhism, Nirvana is not like the Christian heaven. It is a state of mind free from suffering. Morality issues are not that significantly different among the different religions but the Buddhist world view is fundamentally different from a Christian world view. A Buddhist will be able to reach Nirvana and can only reach Nirvana from personal efforts. A person can only accept Christ to go to Heaven.

One who abides in Bodhi becomes a Buddha.
One who truly understands d WORD n abides in d Lord is one with God.
u see any difference?
I see no difference in d ultimate destination.
d difference is in d path taken n how d ultimate destination is reached.[/quote]Bingo Way2Go .....................:hi5:
Thank you for the balance view.................

Religion or right moral belief is to create Peace and harmony within the person and his relationship with the outside world.
Is this not what each of us is striving to do everyday
iT when we create illogic within our head/mind that we breed 'monster'?
and term them 'logic' by our I/Me/Mine rules with no considerations for others

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Way2GO:

empressplace:

[quote=\"puff\"](From wat i know ... Correct me if i am wrong )Buddhist belief that once reach enlightenment you will go nirvana which is like Chirstian heaven... However it is not eternity.... once good karma used up , will be back to rebirth ( maybe this help in overcrowding situation in heaven too :rotflmao: )

From the little I know of Buddhism, Nirvana is not like the Christian heaven. It is a state of mind free from suffering. Morality issues are not that significantly different among the different religions but the Buddhist world view is fundamentally different from a Christian world view. A Buddhist will be able to reach Nirvana and can only reach Nirvana from personal efforts. A person can only accept Christ to go to Heaven.

One who abides in Bodhi becomes a Buddha.
One who truly understands d WORD n abides in d Lord is one with God.
u see any difference?
I see no difference in d ultimate destination.
d difference is in d path taken n how d ultimate destination is reached.[/quote]Buddhists may repeat life cycles and still not reach Nirvana. Christians go to heaven after death.

[Way2GO]

empressplace:

Buddhists may repeat life cycles and still not reach Nirvana. Christians go to heaven after death.

n ur point is?

u know dis practice of last rite sometimes being performed on d dying.
d guy may hv nvr gone to church a day in his life,
so on his death bed, he accepts Christ n he goes to heaven, just like dat!?
Compare him to another guy who lives every single day of his life to glorify God.
Who has d greater merit, who rightly earns his place in heaven?
I m afraid we r getting into theological debates here.
Scholars, clergy n laymen hv debated for thousands of years without coming to a consensus.
To each his/her own beliefs.
OT..OT...OT.

[No Kidding]

phtthp:

No Kidding:

Those who preached that believing in Jesus will make you rich are endorsing the very materialistic mindset which Jesus resolutely opposed.


Jesus clearly said: “Do NOT store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.\" (Matthew 6:19-20)

currently there are more than 1 church in town that slant their bible teaching during weekly sermons heavily towards themes of Prosperity, materialism gain, $. We want \"More, More, More !\". Give us \"More, More, More money blessings ! \" You may hear their sermons broadcast live on internet on weekend.

Usually, they like to target the highly impressionable teenagers group & young working professionals. Reason: this group of target people bring forth recurring income earnings to the church via love gifts donations, via tithing, both now & in future. To attract more youngsters to join, they tend to market, package & deliver their sermons attractively via modern live band, pop concert music style type. Their pastor(s) dress, present & talk with attractive charisma on stage, so that their image projected appeal to the younger generation(s). To identity which church fall under such category, below are some tell tale sign(s):-

http://www.heprayed.com/PracticalDevotions/41

Thank you for bringing this up.

If they say that the more money you give, the more material things you will receive, that is appealing to the innate materialistic cravings of the human nature. The Bible calls this carnality.

These unfaithful preachers are merely cherry-picking Bible verses and tearing them out of context to sway the impressionable. Or gullible.

A cursory look at the Bible would debunk such a ridiculous notion. All the original Apostles of Jesus were martyred, except John, who was exiled. Jesus himself was crucified totally NAKED on the cross. Even the last piece of clothing that he owned was taken from him!

So we're gonna become millionaires by being a faithful follower of Christ? Duh!

The Bible clearly exhorts us to \"Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.\" (Colossians 3:2)

It goes even further in the opposite direction from these prosperity-gospel preachers, when setting the tone for faithful Christian living: In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus WILL BE PERSECUTED, (2 Timothy 3:12)

Suffering is, and will forever be, the hallmark of the faithful Christian in this life. Any preacher who tells you otherwise is a phony.

Here is what God says in the Bible:

To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. (1 Peter 2:21)

Jesus when initiating the Apostle Paul's ministry before he was converted said: I will show him how much he must suffer for my name. (Acts 9:16)

Later, when writing to the Philippian Christians, this same Apostle Paul said: For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him, (Philippians 1:29)

Interestingly, when writing to his young disciple Timothy, Apostle Paul asserted that he suffered precisely because he was a Gospel preacher and Bible teacher! \"And of this gospel I was appointed a herald and an apostle and a teacher. That is why I am suffering as I am.\" (2 Timothy 1:11-12)

As long as we are in this world, suffering will be our faithful companion. The culmination of the Christian hope is when we die and go up to live with Jesus in heaven forever.

So to the Christ-follower, death is the BEST part of this earthly life. Earth is nothing but a temporary residence.

When speaking to his disciples Jesus said: “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. My Father’s house (heaven) has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.\" (John 14:1-3)

Jesus could say that with confidence, and give that guarantee for those who believe in him because he came from heaven. In fact he created heaven. And he OWNS heaven.

Therefore as the creator/owner, Jesus possesses the undisputed right and authority to set the entry requirements/criteria into his heaven for those who wants to go there.

No other person in history has ever made this bold claim and assertion.

None.

Heaven is a perfect place. God is a perfect being. Therefore, if you want to go stay in a perfect heaven with a perfect God, you must pay for your sins by offering him works that are PERFECT. Good works are just not good enough.

[kwcllf]

Way2GO:

empressplace:

Buddhists may repeat life cycles and still not reach Nirvana. Christians go to heaven after death.

n ur point is?

u know dis practice of last rite sometimes being performed on d dying.
d guy may hv nvr gone to church a day in his life,
so on his death bed, he accepts Christ n he goes to heaven, just like dat!?
Compare him to another guy who lives every single day of his life to glorify God.
Who has d greater merit, who rightly earns his place in heaven?
I m afraid we r getting into theological debates here.
Scholars, clergy n laymen hv debated for thousands of years without coming to a consensus.
To each his/her own beliefs.
OT..OT...OT.

I don't mean to offend. Does this mean that one who converted to Christianity but don't do anything but by name only, when the person dies, will still go to heaven?

In Buddhism, it is not so easy. You have to practise (perhaps even for many life times) before we can attain enlightenment.