City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged

[Sun_2010]

Lilac66:

kiddo:

[quote=\"concern2\"]
Don't worry, Sun_2010, we're jus having some 'Fun' in an otherwise 'highly charged' thread. Hope you don't mind us since your nick kinda coincide with the topic.

sayang Sun 2010 :hugs: :hugs: :hugs:

This Sun should have kept a low profile during this period when the other infamous one is melting under the scorching limelight. :evil:

Just like a friend of mine Edision who turns away everytime his name was called a few years ago

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:[/quote]Dun worry :grphug: I am thick skinned, have all the fun with the sun.

I like the pun - \"Sun is getting scorched\"


BTW, my name in the real world is not Sun.
Ok, now I will become the silent lurker in the virtual world.

[No Kidding]

No Kidding:

Of course there is no such thing as magic unless you are into the occult.


Khong Lawrence is an illusionist not unlike David Copperfield. He uses \"magic\" as a means to attract non-Christians and then preach to them.

Angelight:

Yes, it's true that Lawrence Khong performed magic shows with his daughter.
In fact, the father-daughter team is quite well known in the magic show industry not only here but also overseas.

phtthp:

refer website
http://www.lawrenceandpriscilla.com/

why the need for a Pastor of another mega church like FCBC to dabble into magic show(s) ?

which bible verse permit Pastor to resort to magic, as a means / method to evangelise ?
create illusion or whatever you call it ?

As long as what Lawrence Khong does does not contradict the Bible in what he does he is not violating it.

He is using the creative arts as a platform for evangelism.

[No Kidding]

empressplace:

Lilac66:

Therefore, I agree we as parents have a lot on our plate as the world is becoming more corrupted ,and the fact is that the corruption is done so subtly. We have to watch our children and grab every opportunity to teach them that in the Bible, right is right, wrong is wrong. You can't turn a wrong into a right.And of course to pray unceasingly for them coz soon they'll be turning more to friends than us.

This is to me the most important point in this discussion since we are on KSP forum. Aside from a general discussion on this matter, we are all interested in looking out for our kids.

I believe we have to teach our kids to have a questioning and independent mind from young and to consider their social/ emotional needs. Even if the pastors/ religious leaders are unable to correct other leaders openly, hopefully there would be people who monitor such matters online such as c3watch and fighting for the faith.

It's imperative that you build a close bond and trust with your kids so that they'll trust what you say over against what another person says. They'll come and confide in you. That way, they cannot be easily led astray.

[SilentHermit]

No Kidding:

empressplace:

[quote=\"Lilac66\"]
Therefore, I agree we as parents have a lot on our plate as the world is becoming more corrupted ,and the fact is that the corruption is done so subtly. We have to watch our children and grab every opportunity to teach them that in the Bible, right is right, wrong is wrong. You can't turn a wrong into a right.And of course to pray unceasingly for them coz soon they'll be turning more to friends than us.

This is to me the most important point in this discussion since we are on KSP forum. Aside from a general discussion on this matter, we are all interested in looking out for our kids.

I believe we have to teach our kids to have a questioning and independent mind from young and to consider their social/ emotional needs. Even if the pastors/ religious leaders are unable to correct other leaders openly, hopefully there would be people who monitor such matters online such as c3watch and fighting for the faith.

It's imperative that you build a close bond and trust with your kids so that they'll trust what you say over against what another person says. They'll come and confide in you. That way, they cannot be easily led astray.[/quote]Hmmm.. yes imperative that we must build a close bond and trust with our kids.. so that they can trust us.. but what happen if our own beliefs are also wrong? What if we are believing in the wrong thing ourselves? Lets say we are a believer of Buddhist practice but in reality Buddhism is not true? Or we believe in God but there is no God? Or for the sake of the discussion, whatever we believe in are all wrong and untrue?

So shouldn't it be more important that we we look at what we are practicing first, whether it is right or wrong? Or can we? Are we open minded enough even to explore that? Or are our minds cast in stone already? Or should we just leave it to the kids to discover themselves and decide for themselves?

[No Kidding]

empressplace:

To be more specific, I am merely emphasising that a Buddhist can only reach Nirwana with great effort over several life cycles whereas for Christians, there is no rebirth to speak about.

No Kidding:

This is what the Bible says: Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. (Hebrews 9:27-28)

kwcllf:

You have been taking every opportunity to push what you believe on the forum. As I have mentioned before, there are other explanation from the perspective of other religion. For example, it is well known that Muslims see Jesus as just another prophet. As a Buddhist, we have other perspective.

So, please stick to discussion on KH and gang. This will help avoud any ugly doctrinal sparring.

Empressplace wrote (above): \"...for Christians, there is no rebirth to speak about.\" I merely quoted a single Bible verse here to show that what she said is indeed from the Bible. And not her own fabrication or personal opinion.

Elsewhere you'll find that I also quoted the relevant Bible verses to show that what Kong Hee preaches contradicts the Bible.

[Nebbermind]

http://www.ttc.edu.sg/csca/CS/2004-Dec/Discernment.pdf is a local Christian article on discernment.

[Lilac66]

Sun_2010:

Dun worry :grphug: I am thick skinned, have all the fun with the sun.

I like the pun - \"Sun is getting scorched\"


BTW, my name in the real world is not Sun.
Ok, now I will become the silent lurker in the virtual world.

Pls don't , soli soli :salute: I take back my words. We can't go without the Sun albeit the right Sun

[kwcllf]

SilentHermit:

Hmmm.. yes imperative that we must build a close bond and trust with our kids.. so that they can trust us.. but what happen if our own beliefs are also wrong? What if we are believing in the wrong thing ourselves? Lets say we are a believer of Buddhist practice but in reality Buddhism is not true? Or we believe in God but there is no God? Or for the sake of the discussion, whatever we believe in are all wrong and untrue?

So shouldn't it be more important that we we look at what we are practicing first, whether it is right or wrong? Or can we? Are we open minded enough even to explore that? Or are our minds cast in stone already? Or should we just leave it to the kids to discover themselves and decide for themselves?

Very curious why only Buddhism is mentioned although you may be speaking hypothetically.

[SilentHermit]

kwcllf:

SilentHermit:

Hmmm.. yes imperative that we must build a close bond and trust with our kids.. so that they can trust us.. but what happen if our own beliefs are also wrong? What if we are believing in the wrong thing ourselves? Lets say we are a believer of Buddhist practice but in reality Buddhism is not true? Or we believe in God but there is no God? Or for the sake of the discussion, whatever we believe in are all wrong and untrue?

So shouldn't it be more important that we we look at what we are practicing first, whether it is right or wrong? Or can we? Are we open minded enough even to explore that? Or are our minds cast in stone already? Or should we just leave it to the kids to discover themselves and decide for themselves?

Very curious why only Buddhism is mentioned although you may be speaking hypothetically.

I also said \"Or for the sake of the discussion, whatever we believe in are all wrong and untrue? \"

[kwcllf]

No Kidding:

Empressplace wrote (above): \"...for Christians, there is no rebirth to speak about.\" I merely quoted a single Bible verse here to show that what she said is indeed from the Bible. And not her own fabrication or personal opinion.

Elsewhere you find that I also quoted the relevant Bible verses to show that what Kong Hee preaches contradicts the Bible.

But I have also realised that you have highlighted specific words (in red and Upper-case) to put your points across. If you merely tag along someone's statement, and as Dream has stated in this thread, without putting them in proper context, is misleading and it can cause misunderstanding. As I have mentioned, it is best to avoid this and just concentrate on KH and his deeds (or misdeeds)

I have also seen you quoting Bible verses to contradict what KH has preached or said. If it is a direct refernce to him is fine. But please avoid comparing religions and their doctrines, especially if one is unfamiliar with other beliefs.