City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged
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Actually, looking at the success rate of CAD cases in the past, looking at the evident, new info released by the press and so on, I really feel that the famous 5 are going to be up for a big challenge. maybe only a miracle can change the game now, it seems.
There will be PTC, maybe CCMS, the paper inquiry, trials and sentencing (if any)… a long process to come… hope that people are not like what "no Kidding" has said " When a person is deceived, their reasoning faculties refuse to entertain alternative views to the contrary. It’s like a person who closes his eyes tightly and swears that light does not exist. When they are with like-minded people, each will affirm the other in their deception, urging each other not to open their eyes. …" that would be a sad case of smart people blinded for wrong reasons… Haiz…
SH
PS: still cannot help but to think of what their family members have to go thru now…Haiz haiz… … -
If the government Prosecution team charges against them are indeed True :-
If the gang of 8 never embezzle any $, there is nothing to fear. (\"guang ming zheng da, guang ming lei ruo\").
However if they ever did, then their families will be scared. God above is witnessing the entire court case proceeding on earth. \"Ren zai zuo, Tian zai kan\".
refer Proverbs 19 verse 5
\"If you tell lies in court, you will be punished - there will be no escape.\" -
phtthp:
If the government Prosecution team charges against them are indeed True :-
in the event City Harvest famous 8 (+ 3 more names recently added to the list) plead guilty, there may be no trial. Refer (Principal + Howard Shaw) sex scandal case - they may just plead guilty, no trial.
however, don't think KH plead guilty easily.
With such a huge church support rallying so strongly behind them ready to go into battle, most likely they'll put up a fierce fight & challenge the authorities in court - under public media limelight & scrutiny. But govt then dig further into nitty gritty details, throwing up more evidence into broad daylight. The can of worms is now fully open - more dirty linen exposed in public for all to know, more fat worms crawling out of the can, can't hide anymore.
u mean like TT ? that would be silly in my opinion... -
zakashi:
who blow whistle ?\"going to change name to Sun Take City after the reno ?\"
That is a good joke! Ha! Ha! Let us see how Sun Take City after the reno in September.
picture: \"Timeline Leading to Arrests\" (drag scroll bar down)
source from
http://exchersonesusaurea.blogspot.sg/2012/06/corruption-in-singapore-megachurch-23.html -
I don’t see how the videos made by Sun will in any way reach out to the secular world. We are in the world but don’t have to be of the world. She doesn’t have to conform to their ways to connect with them. KH, by preaching the prosperity gospel, is actually not preaching Christianity but greed. There is only one gospel and that is Christ came to save the lost by dying on the cross. Galatians 1 v 6 "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed." How do we tell a true Christian from a fraud? By the fruits that he bears. Culture mandate? It’s true that we must flow with the time but that doesn’t mean that we don’t draw a line in how we conduct ourselves. We don’t have to behave like a rebellious teenager to connect with one. Jesus dined with sinners but He didn’t sin. KH must have great confidence in his project and vision but obviously has missed the mark. There are many well-known singers and artistes in Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan who have converted to Christianity in recent years. They shared their stories on t.v. and in churches. Sammi Cheng cut an album entitled "Faith" as soon as she professed her faith. She was shocked when her album was sold out in Hong Kong as soon as it was released. She was apprehensive at first cos she was worried that it might not be accepted by her fans as it was something very different from what she has done before. The songs in the album don’t hard sell Christianity but the lyrics project love and trust in God. The music was catchy and lively, something very contemporary actually. Many of her fans became Christians and continued to support her. Many other Hong Kong artistes including Jacqueline Law who has just passed on shared their testimonies on how they converted to Christianity and every story speaks of how they overcome their depression, sickness etc to find hope in Christ. In fact, some of them shared that they become very selective in accepting jobs and will rather earn less than do something without depth. Why can’t Sun reach out to non-Christians in the same way? Sharing how she overcome the stigma of being a victim of child abuse and how Jesus changed her life will be a much better testimony than appearing in China Wine. In fact, from some of the posts, her conduct and videos clearly point people away from Christianity. If a Christian got pissed off seeing her posters pasted all over the church premises, what could have crossed a new believer’s mind? Isn’t this a stumbling block? Hopefully, some good will come out of this saga. We joked, we criticised, we shared, we gossiped and when it’s water under the bridge, let us move on and make this world a better place. We Christians should live our lives to profess Christ. Pastors and teachers of the gospel should reflect on their conduct to ensure that they are beyond reproof. All religions teach us to be good. Whether one is a Christian or Buddhist, we know that we are of a sinful nature and are not perfect beings but we can contribute positively to our society. Do we have to quarrel and fight in public transport over a seat, for example? Let’s be gracious towards one another regardless of race and religion. Let he who has no sin cast the first stone.
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Kong Hee's degree and doctorate real??
It seems that even KH's theology doctorate might have been bought ... does he even have the necessary credentials and education in theology?
KH has obtained his masters and doctorate from a university known as New Covenant International University and Theological Seminary (NCIU). It seems that this school has no campus, no curriculum, no facilities, no office.
It does seem that NCIU is a diploma mill, with doctorates and master's degrees for sale, where any incoherent, fatuous, and plagiarized essay qualifies as a doctoral thesis or dissertation.
If NCIU is indeed a bogus school, then Kong Hee has never taken any courses (not even by mail) normally expected of a pastor in a mainline Christian denomination.
Did Kong Hee's probably bogus master's degree help him in getting ordained in 1991?
What does it say about the honesty and integrity of Kong Hee and Pringle that they would seek to impress their flocks with probably bogus \"doctorates\" from an outfit such as NCIU?
Source from:
http://exchersonesusaurea.blogspot.sg/2012/07/city-harvest-churchs-senior-pastor-phil.html
Kong Hee plagiarism case
Does he still maintain his INTEGRITY?
The Straits Times reports that two American authors of a Christian study book have accused him of using their work without proper credit or permission.
Although Professor Sid Buzzell and Dr Kenneth Boa say they will take no legal action on Kong Hee, both have asked the Pastor to stop using their material immediately. Otherwise, Professor Buzzell would “threaten him with exposure to his church”.
Kong Hee had copied the authors’ work without due credit in two books he published entitled ‘Renewing Your Spiritual Enegery in 90 Days’ Volumes I and II. Both books are still available at major Christian bookstores from $15 to $18.90.
Source from:
http://goeagles2u.blogspot.sg/2010/11/pastor-kong-hee-accused-of-plagiarism.html -
Well said and totally agreed. Thanks!
tutormum:
I don't see how the videos made by Sun will in any way reach out to the secular world. We are in the world but don't have to be of the world. She doesn't have to conform to their ways to connect with them. KH, by preaching the prosperity gospel, is actually not preaching Christianity but greed. There is only one gospel and that is Christ came to save the lost by dying on the cross. Galatians 1 v 6 \"I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.\" How do we tell a true Christian from a fraud? By the fruits that he bears. Culture mandate? It's true that we must flow with the time but that doesn't mean that we don't draw a line in how we conduct ourselves. We don't have to behave like a rebellious teenager to connect with one. Jesus dined with sinners but He didn't sin. KH must have great confidence in his project and vision but obviously has missed the mark. There are many well-known singers and artistes in Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan who have converted to Christianity in recent years. They shared their stories on t.v. and in churches. Sammi Cheng cut an album entitled \"Faith\" as soon as she professed her faith. She was shocked when her album was sold out in Hong Kong as soon as it was released. She was apprehensive at first cos she was worried that it might not be accepted by her fans as it was something very different from what she has done before. The songs in the album don't hard sell Christianity but the lyrics project love and trust in God. The music was catchy and lively, something very contemporary actually. Many of her fans became Christians and continued to support her. Many other Hong Kong artistes including Jacqueline Law who has just passed on shared their testimonies on how they converted to Christianity and every story speaks of how they overcome their depression, sickness etc to find hope in Christ. In fact, some of them shared that they become very selective in accepting jobs and will rather earn less than do something without depth. Why can't Sun reach out to non-Christians in the same way? Sharing how she overcome the stigma of being a victim of child abuse and how Jesus changed her life will be a much better testimony than appearing in China Wine. In fact, from some of the posts, her conduct and videos clearly point people away from Christianity. If a Christian got pissed off seeing her posters pasted all over the church premises, what could have crossed a new believer's mind? Isn't this a stumbling block? Hopefully, some good will come out of this saga. We joked, we criticised, we shared, we gossiped and when it's water under the bridge, let us move on and make this world a better place. We Christians should live our lives to profess Christ. Pastors and teachers of the gospel should reflect on their conduct to ensure that they are beyond reproof. All religions teach us to be good. Whether one is a Christian or Buddhist, we know that we are of a sinful nature and are not perfect beings but we can contribute positively to our society. Do we have to quarrel and fight in public transport over a seat, for example? Let's be gracious towards one another regardless of race and religion. Let he who has no sin cast the first stone.
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phtthp:
KH claimed that God apologised to him for his current ordeal. So, don't ever expect an apology from him.http://temasektimes.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-christian-speaks-out-against-the-defensive-behavior-of-kong-hee-and-city-harvest-church
\"The saddest thing I have felt throughout this whole saga is that I have yet to see an apology from Pastor Kong Hee to God and his church members for commiting a wrong\". /
http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2012/06/ed-youngs-calvinist-melt-down.html
Listen from 16.00 to 23.00. -
kctan:
Read also on NCIU:Kong Hee's degree and doctorate real??
It seems that even KH's theology doctorate might have been bought ... does he even have the necessary credentials and education in theology?
KH has obtained his masters and doctorate from a university known as New Covenant International University and Theological Seminary (NCIU). It seems that this school has no campus, no curriculum, no facilities, no office.
It does seem that NCIU is a diploma mill, with doctorates and master's degrees for sale, where any incoherent, fatuous, and plagiarized essay qualifies as a doctoral thesis or dissertation.
If NCIU is indeed a bogus school, then Kong Hee has never taken any courses (not even by mail) normally expected of a pastor in a mainline Christian denomination.
Did Kong Hee's probably bogus master's degree help him in getting ordained in 1991?
What does it say about the honesty and integrity of Kong Hee and Pringle that they would seek to impress their flocks with probably bogus \"doctorates\" from an outfit such as NCIU?
Source from:
http://exchersonesusaurea.blogspot.sg/2012/07/city-harvest-churchs-senior-pastor-phil.html
http://szezeng.blogspot.sg/2009/12/new-covenant-international-university.html
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