Asia spending billions on tutors: study

[limlim]

autumnbronze:

That is your perception.

No matter how careful and responsible the person is on the MRT train, there are factors beyond his control that might cause food or crumbs to drop on the floor of the train. The sudden movements, pushing or squeezing due to over-crowdedness etc ....

Like I said before, I cannot see your point in this example.

So I ask you, drink plain water, bottle with straw, will spill? if spill, will it not evaporate and leave no trace?

MRT message is, no eating or drinking is allowed in stations and trains. It did not exclude drinking from bottles with straw or plain water.

if you want to talk about collateral damage.. innocent parties who are restricted because of some inconsiderate pple.. maybe we are on the same frequency..

I feel the injustice when I am not allowed to drink or eat carefully in the station that is stationary w/o any crowd and no one standing beside me. But you say (or suggest?), it is perfectly acceptable to restrict my freedom to eat and drink.

Are we on the same frequency?

[limlim]

FQW:

There lies the challenge of any attempts at tutor-certification. It's complex, gonna be resource-intensive and fuzzy at best. But at the end of all this, who's the better judge of the suitability of a tutor to one's child, us parents or MOE?

Ok, if you can convince me that the resources spend regulating reaps much higher ROI, I can agree with you that regulation is desirable.

Agree. parent are the best judge. As I mentioned, parents can engage tutor w/o license, just like buying food from hawkers w/o license.

If they are confident and there is good word-of-mouth, of coz they can engage the tutor regardless of license or certification. If the tutor is confidence that she can attract biz, they can choose not to apply for license.

That, is where parent education come in, that, if they want some assurance of minimized risk, they can look for licensed tutors.

As for ROI. First, we need to establish if the tuition phenomenon is a cause for concern.

If it is a cause for concern, than, we need Data.

The degree of \"cause for concern\" will determine if the ROI is worth it.

[limlim]

Also, is SG going to establish itself as an education hub?


Is the ROI worth it to regulate the industry?

[oxyleo]

verykiasu2010:

may not be mutual

MOE bashers and teacher bashers are unwilling to quote which school, don't even talk about which teacher. constant repeating the same accusations but unwilling to even name the school, has zero credibility. if one is so unhappy then why afraid to name the school ?

people quoting examples of teachers who care inevitably quote the school name as well.

who is spreading myths ? if the schools are so bad then why the rush for it in pri 1 registration year after year? stupid right ? (not referring to you)

[quote][/quote]Oh, you do worry unduly. Taking such great care to make sure I don't misunderstand you. How thoughtful! I won't for a moment think that you were talking about me. You'd have to say it to my face first. I don't make assumptions. But then again, there are SOME people who are conducting themselves in a rather stupid manner. (not that I'm referring to you too!)

The last I checked, Interrogation happens in court rooms. Where witnesses MUST name the accused! A bit of a mismatch here of skill set (yours) to scenario (forum vs courtroom).

I also think there are highly plausible reasons why people are uncomfortable naming names. People tend to do so only if they have intention to pack up and go. Such as whistle blowers after resigning from their job. If people still have their children there, and there are friends who know the nickname they use here, why would they be comfortable naming names? And schools? They are also pretty smart, to guess that after naming names, it doesn't stop there, for the interrogation, out of good intention I presume, wouldn't stop there. It may end up with the poor writer having to reveal to the interrogators his/her FULL NAME, DOB, IC number , ADDRESS, last visited destination etc, just so interrogators know he/she is not a tutor in disguise maybe? Or an MOE basher in disguise maybe?

The highly possible reason why people still go after the popular schools is because after \"checking it out\", which we have to leave at their discretion, schools afterall are found to have similar experiences of both good and bad. So they might as well decide to go to the popular schools, which for a fact, churns out better academic performances. Others would be alumni, logistic reasons, sibling already there etc. I thought you would already know this.

Whatever people choose to quote here should be just that. Their opinion. We read it and decide for ourselves, not them, what we want to do with that information. It's up to you to ignore it, disbelieve it, but to outrightly challenge it and have people change their opinion should not be the business of any one of us. We say our piece, and let people judge for themselves.

At least in that regard, our politicians have it right. They hold their rallies separately. People attend them separately. Media reports them collectively for all to read in their own peace and quiet. Neutral voters attend both rallies separately. Staunch supporters attend their own. Imagine the noise and chaos if supporters cross turfs and interrupt, heckle and question. How do both sides get to hear each side of the story?

In this forum, of course we do not need to form separate threads for separate camps. We just need some RESPECT and CIVILITY from both sides. Accorded to those also that may not write so well, think so clearly. Let's give everyone some space shall we?

[oxyleo]

[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"
[quote]all these hearing from friends, always hearing from friends ...... ....... shadow boxing ?[/quote][/quote]

Only those WITH FRIENDS will be hearing from friends, I think..... Where've you been? Restaurants live on advertisement BY WORD OF MOUTH, so do BOOKS and MAGAZINES and SCHOOLS...TUTORS.... Hmm.... :scratchhead:

Method of Communication? :scratchhead: EQ? :scratchhead:

Ok you stumped me! :faint:

Can I pass please to someone else? Any takers? :?:

[limlim]

oxyleo:

Whatever people choose to quote here should be just that. Their opinion. We read it and decide for ourselves, not them, what we want to do with that information. It's up to you to ignore it, disbelieve it, but to outrightly challenge it and have people change their opinion should not be the business of any one of us. We say our piece, and let people judge for themselves.


In this forum, of course we do not need to form separate threads for separate camps. We just need some RESPECT and CIVILITY from both sides. Accorded to those also that may not write so well, think so clearly. Let's give everyone some space shall we?

:goodpost:

Fully agree :rahrah:

[cherryc]

oxyleo:

In this forum, of course we do not need to form separate threads for separate camps. We just need some RESPECT and CIVILITY from both sides. Accorded to those also that may not write so well, think so clearly. Let's give everyone some space shall we?

Oxyleo, you are a gem. :celebrate:

[BeContented]

limlim:

if you want to talk about collateral damage.. innocent parties who are restricted because of some inconsiderate pple.. maybe we are on the same frequency..

I feel the injustice when I am not allowed to drink or eat carefully in the station that is stationary w/o any crowd and no one standing beside me. But you say (or suggest?), it is perfectly acceptable to restrict my freedom to eat and drink.

Are we on the same frequency?

errrrmmmm......you feel injustice that SMRT ban drinking and eating and thereby restrict your freedom to eat and drink.

and yet you have on many occasions suggested banning tuition and restrict others the freedom of engaging tuition for their kids.

Well, I for one....support SMRT ban on drinking and eating.
As for banning tuition, I will not die and I suppose my kids will still cope....maybe drop some marks/grades. But people who cannot teach, children cannot cope, need more help eg. 1-1.....they will be the one who suffer the most at the end of this. Improving quality of teachers is a good idea, but that will take time to implement but eventually, there will still be those who still need more help than others.

[limlim]

BeContented:

limlim:

if you want to talk about collateral damage.. innocent parties who are restricted because of some inconsiderate pple.. maybe we are on the same frequency..

I feel the injustice when I am not allowed to drink or eat carefully in the station that is stationary w/o any crowd and no one standing beside me. But you say (or suggest?), it is perfectly acceptable to restrict my freedom to eat and drink.

Are we on the same frequency?

errrrmmmm......you feel injustice that SMRT ban drinking and eating and thereby restrict your freedom to eat and drink.

and yet you have on many occasions suggested banning tuition and restrict others the freedom of engaging tuition for their kids.

Well, I for one....support SMRT ban on drinking and eating.
As for banning tuition, I will not die and I suppose my kids will still cope....maybe drop some marks/grades. But people whose cannot teach, children cannot cope, need more help eg. 1-1.....they will be the one who suffer the most at the end of this. Improving quality of teachers is a good idea, but that will take time to implement but eventually, there will still be those who still need more help than others.

Alright, banning tuition was a bad idea.. no issue with that.. sorry to suggest that. :imsorry:

Just talking about some regulation and control now..

What I said about the \"injustice\" is.. I can accept it.. Actually, I also support it. it has to be, for the greater good and comfort of all passengers.. even if I feel it is not fair to me.. but I SUPPORT it.

Can the others accept the same?

[Busymom]

limlim:

FQW:

C'mon, limlim.


So you suggestion of [the criteria of] licensing tutors is based solely on their academic qualification? That's a lazy way to licensing issit? I for one, doesnt have any teaching 'certification', but I dare say I'm well qualified to coach any lower pri sch pupils with similar ability as my child, having worked closely with him for the last few years.

Your suggested criteria of licensing 'qualified' tutors would have in one swoop, disqualified many experienced and good tutors - when the responsibility of gauging the suitability of tutor-pupil combination is solely a parent's prerogative to make. The chemistry of teaching is one of soft skill as well, not just binary - have/don't have cert so straight forward.

But before we get ahead of ourselves, what do we hope to achieve in all this [licensing]?

Licensing means tutor must be registered. Actually, my personal feel is maybe just pay $5 and apply, just like applying hawker license. Don't you feel more assured buying of licensed hawker center instead no license ones?

Maybe MOE could evaluate your suitability. This is open to how to assess and you may have good suggestions on how this is to be done. It may not be academic qualifications alone.

As a tutor yourself, who is working full-time(?), wouldn't you like to be recognized as qualified tutor? (again, you can suggest how to best gauge being \"qualified\")

With licensing, we get data. and with data, the best course of action can be taken.

What sort of data can we get from licensing that can determine some course of action? Don't get me wrong, not criticizing you, just want to hear what do you have in mind.

Also while some parents would like to engage licensed tutors, I think word of mouth and track record would be more important factors that affect a parent's decision of whether to engage a tutor.

Actually, I believe there are many undergraduates who give tuition in their spare time, unless times have changed. It certainly was the case during my time in uni. Are these tutors no good if they aren't licensed tutors? Actually I am inclined to think that they could be better tutors because the subjects taught are still so fresh in their mind and for e.g. they surely know the Math model method as opposed to some of us here...