Asia spending billions on tutors: study
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buds:
Now you are.Lilac66:
[quote=\"buds\"]> http://mts.mendaki.org.sg/tuition.html
> http://www.sinda.org.sg/students/collaborative-tuition-programme/
Parents need to be better informed before targeting MOE for the lack of this and that in the guise of protecting the needs of the needy. Help is there. Ask and one shall receive.
Would appreciate the discussion w/o insinuation. Not everyone is well-informed. Or why is there a need for so many campaigns?
LAst post in this thread.
You have championed this \"needy cause\" in other threads as well.[/quote]
And may I ask what's wrong with championing for this group? It's not as if I have a hidden agenda. I'm not one of the needy but I'm for the needy.
If I say MCYS should raise more awareness,it does not mean that I'm blaming them.
We think everyone should know about Dengue-fever prevention, but why are they still having ads on this? Because it has reached a critical level, and many are still ignorant about this breeding. Again I'm not saying those that need such help is reaching a critical no., but is used as an example.
Even some parents here also admit that these lower-educated people may not exactly know where to seek help.
Unless one has a hidden agenda,one should be respectful of other's views.
I'm fine with a simple link if I had overlooked your previous post on this. -
limlim:
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By the way, perhaps it is necessary to distinguish between primary education and secondary education?ChiefKiasu:
There is a big difference between \"learning to score\" vs \"learn to understand\".
What we expect from MOE for primary sch may be different from that for Secondary sch. Bcoz for secondary school, the students are more matured, and directives like \"teach less, learn more\" might be more desirable, when it may not be so for primary schools.
teach less (at school), learn less (from school), test more (at school) => play less, family bonding less, sleep less, visit doctor more
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J and J:
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By the way, perhaps it is necessary to distinguish between primary education and secondary education?limlim:
[quote=\"ChiefKiasu\"]
There is a big difference between \"learning to score\" vs \"learn to understand\".
What we expect from MOE for primary sch may be different from that for Secondary sch. Bcoz for secondary school, the students are more matured, and directives like \"teach less, learn more\" might be more desirable, when it may not be so for primary schools. teach less (at school), learn less (from school), test more (at school) => play less, family bonding less, sleep less, visit doctor more[/quote]'Teach Less, Learn More' is more appropriate for kids in sec schools, perhaps Sec 3 onwards since most :xedfingers: will be more mature by then. Not only teachers are seeing psychiatrists, so are the kids.
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buds:
buds can do too.. since it is still sheltered by receptacle.. shd be tender and yummy.... :evil:Orh-hor Chief...
You're in trouble with toady now. :nailbite:
Flowers are unacceptable. Only insects.
but if buds morph into bugs.. I can try to make do too..
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buds:
It's ok to view me as dirty old man........Ok.. I didn't say aaaanything abt grouchy arh..
And I definitely kept mum abt.. as to whether or not limlim is old or young at heart.
But as to whether man or babe.. limlim has been dodging that confirmation in threads... referring to spouse as the CO or significant other.
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ChiefKiasu:
My biggest concern with our education system is NOT its high standards, or poor teachers. You get those everywhere else. It is the results-orientation. Like ourselves during our own schooldays, our children are taught the overriding importance of grades. We learn because we want to score. The harder we work, the more the learn, the higher we score. The key reason for academic tuition is to improve grades! The day when major examinations are abolished will be the day when tuition services go out of business.
YO, YO, YO!
CHIEFKIASU GO!
:rahrah: :rahrah:
This one, I really like!
Who actually goes to tuition these days to LEARN?
(This is a sad laugh, actually, čĶįŽïžChiefKiasu:
No doubt. Strong foundation has to be established before one is able to bloom, and tests are able to HELP establish if foundations are strong enough to move on. Yet, it is often the over-emphasis of these tests that kills the natural curiosity of learning in the process.But \"learning to score\" relates only to the technical aspects of learning. Yes, we can build knowledge by \"learning to score\", simply by remembering all the facts and techniques that we are taught. But we cannot hope to create new knowledge and wisdom. It is only when we \"learn to understand\" that we can start appreciating facts and information for what they mean, correlating them, linking them together, identifying patterns, and build new theories that allow us to predict outcomes from observations.
... It is about curiosity about things that happen around us. We always have the famous adage of Newton \"discovering\" gravity from this observation of a falling apple, Franklin \"discovering\" the electronic nature of lightning using his kite flying skills.ChiefKiasu:
Worker bees are not without their good. They know the job well, and often, that is a source of foundation of bright ideas. There are people who could come up with innovative solutions - but in reality, if you are without qualifications, your voice will not be heard. The society likes to ask the question of \"What are you?\" and it starts with the people at the top, those who finds they need a big pay cheque to speak louder and have more credibility. And the fish rots from the head. It takes people of different mindset to recognize bright ideas, and to appreciate the individual's contribution, regardless of how 'lowly educated' they are. And these people, regardless of how lack of formal education, are NOT STUPID. They are often the ones who could think out-of-the-box, because they have not been boxed-in in the first place.In my humble opinion, unless things change, this is the reason why Singaporeans will always be, at the most, middle managers. We are trained and equipped from our young to be worker bees. To take direction and orders from the top, and to execute flawlessly. Most of us will find it very difficult to be innovative or to think out of the box or to solve problems which are unprecedented.
Yet, unfortunately, there are also a big percentage of these people who often lack the ability and confidence to express themselves and to bring forth their ideas. Even if they do, they are often not given the due credit, and remain in the same position for years. We need to be able to widen our definition of success, to open our minds to recognize greatness and intelligence of different forms - not just in grades. If people starts tagging real learning and intelligence to \"What can it bring you?\" i.e. results, be it financial or scores, then before you know it, you'd have killed that possibility before you could even start to reap any fruits of it. -
ChiefKiasu:
It is also same as refusing sale of alcohol to < 18yo. As well as the $100 levy (applies to citizen and PR but not other residents). As well as refusing free shuttle service of IRs from the heartlands. I am not suggesting these policies are no good.. I am just pointing out govt influence on the free market. It's a question of necessity.
It is the free market. It is the same as asking: \"Is it right for high-class restaurants to refuse entry to guests in shorts & slippers?\" As long as the business does not refuse business based on constitutional culturally-sensitive criteria (race, language, religion), there is no basis to do something to them. Remember, when the government intervene in the free market, they are effectively telling people what they can or cannot sell or buy. Those goes against the free market philosophy. It has to be supported by laws, which have to be debated, modified and approved before they can be enacted.limlim:
But those who only take in certain students who met \"minimum requirement\".. are really \"unhealthy\" to society, I feel. The students who are \"learning to score\".. are they an asset to society should they finally managed to \"score\" with the additional help?
Is it really ok to not do anything about it?
So when calling for the zhenghu to institute changes, we must be wary of the \"butterfly effect\". A good idea may turn out to be a nightmare in the long term. The famous \"Stop At 2\" policy comes to mind.
So, the focus would be on necessity rather than dismiss it just bcoz it is \"against free market philosophy\", which is not new already.
For the last part, yes totally agree.
Hence, maybe more data would be appreciated..?
We are talking about education.. not about controlling fine dining or luxury clothing.. is the cost and investment, not worth it?
I recalled one year, budget debate, MOE was like.. criticized for not spending enough and leaving surplus of allocated budget!
Sorry.. I feel like a bit too much of a nag liao.. I can understand why buds and AB is so sianz with my post(s).. I have been repeating the same thing over and over again.. but the thing is.. I am still not able to accept \"against free market\" as justification to \"no action\". Hence my reply..
If forumers debate about good and bad of commercial tuition(for e.g.) and conclude that there is \"no harm\" with excessive commercial tuition, and no justification of \"changes\", then, I would accept it better
But of coz, I accept that views differ.. so.. yup.. that's all I want to say, for now.. -
limlim:
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Sorry.. I feel like a bit too much of a nag liao.. I can understand why buds and AB is so sianz with my post(s).. I have been repeating the same thing over and over again.. but the thing is.. I am still not able to accept \"against free market\" as justification to \"no action\". Hence my reply..
If forumers debate about good and bad of commercial tuition(for e.g.) and conclude that there is \"no harm\" with excessive commercial tuition, and no justification of \"changes\", then, I would accept it better
But of coz, I accept that views differ.. so.. yup.. that's all I want to say, for now..
In this case should be a strength
U reali absolutely sure that's all u gonna say ..... For now? :evil: -
BeContented:
Gonna try.. okie........
U reali absolutely sure that's all u gonna say ..... For now? :evil:
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In fact, I am not in favour of elite system but I welcome competition. Compete not because you want to win someone but compete because you want to win yourself. To prove to yourself, you can do it. I would want my child to have perfect score in attitude of learning and not in academic results.
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Just read an article about the newly appointed CEO of Yahoo, Marissa Mayer and she quoted \"I always did something I was a little not ready to do. I think that's how you grow. When there's that moment of 'Wow, I'm not really sure I can do this,' and you push through those moments, that's when you have a breakthrough.\"
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/17/tech/mayer-yahoo-career-advice/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
How many of our kids are willing to or have the courage to try something that they are not ready to do to achieve the breakethrough of oneself?
I observe how the kids choose subject combinations in higher Sec. Many (not all) tend to choose the steady steady common subjects for kiasu reason. Subjects that can act as backing for other faculties in case they fail to get in their preferred faculty. There is nothing wrong with this, just some kind of strategy if we want to call so. But this is what I feel, the lack of risk taking and focus.
The education system in Asia is too much focus on academic results and hand in hand, very naturally, tuition creeps in.
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