6 months' paid leave for mum?
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LOLMum:
We don't have the rule that singles cannot take leave during school holidays. As long as our buddy at work is around. So now my buddy going on maternity leave + no pay leave, I can't take leave until she returns.Namie:
When I saw this proposal, my heart sank. My partner at work is due to deliver at year end and already my boss told me I am not allowed to take leave or MC during the time she is on maternity leave and until she is back. She is taking the whole 4 months + her annual leave + a few more days no pay leave. I have to cover all her work. Both of us work till 8-9pm every day so I might as well sleep in office during the time she is away. My boxes told me I can get a sleeping bag to catch up sleep during lunch. Now 6 mths!
Work-life for pregnant women. What about other co-workers?
We are working in a major government agency.
And if you are single, you are not supposed (unwritten rule in my sis's place) to take leave during the school holidays. These are meant for parents to spend time with the kids. -
Daddy
Haha... The bosses kbkp Liao....
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1215454/1/.html
[quote]SNEF against extending maternity leave, proposes other incentives...
The Singapore National Employers Federation (SNEF) said legislating more and different types of leave will add to labour costs and have other unintended negative effects.... feels the current four months leave is already generous, compared to regional countries and economic competitors.
One suggestion is to have \"baby bonus for bosses\", where tax incentives are given to employers, whose employees go on maternity leave....
WTH is \"baby bonus for bosses\"?.... :faint:[/quote]\"tax incentives\" money comes from where? -
sleepy:
Hi sleepy, just to sidetrack a little - did you study in Australia?More than a decade ago...
Shortly after I returned from my studies, I went for an interview at a medium size company. A male interviewer asked me. 'Are you married?' I replied 'not yet.' And he immediately threw me a disdained look & said 'so you planning to get married? Then you will be busy with wedding preparations.' I think he was more interested in my possible wedding plans :siao: than my capablities and qualifications.
As expected, I didn't get the job. Not that I would ever work for people with this sort of mentality in a millon year anyway. Fortunately I received 8 other job offers (bloom time then!) and none of the other hirers asked me that stupid irrelevant question.
My point is employers who harbour this sort of mentality, not to mention 6 months maternity, even planning to get married as well as married yet to have kids interviewees will be discriminated. They can just refused to hire this group of job seekers (with the looming possiblity of paying for their maternity). And there's no way to prove discrimination since they can simply said this group of job seekers' experience are not suitable for the role they are hiring. -
sleepy:
Sleepy, my time also 2 mths maternity.... i \"lagi suay and loo gi\". Quit my job to find another job, in the mean time pregnant w DD1. Of course when i go for interview, i must tell them right?During my time, it was merely 2 months maternity. And I didn't even get any maternity for 2nd child since I already quit my job to stay home during 2nd pregnancy. Lugi le
Anyway, this 6 months maternity is a double edge sword. This will never work. For both employers and employees.
Perhaps it might be more feasible to introduce a bond, somewhat like an agreement to stay in same company for another 2 years after returning from maternity. Otherwise, which employer would have to risk writing off that 6 months salary. When my brother got a scholarship to study overseas, he also signed a 2 year bond to work for the same company upon returning. Similar concept la.
With that 'bond', probably mums to be would face less discrimination and employers also feel more reassured that it's not money down the drain? Of course, there's still the very practical issue who will covering the duties while madam is on maternity.
Second pregnancy was in between jobs, doing temp, no maternity leave again. Hard life!! -
Namie:
We don't have the rule that singles cannot take leave during school holidays. As long as our buddy at work is around. So now my buddy going on maternity leave + no pay leave, I can't take leave until she returns.[/quote]So that is why I felt very unease when I have to take leave at the expense of my other co-workers. Even if boss can hire a temp staff to replace me, I also scare..so I say, keep the mandatory 2 months maternity leaves, but leave the 3rd or 4th month flexible...dun pass the business cost to the employer cos ultimately, the employers will find ways to retaliate and employees like us will be at the loosing end.LOLMum:
[quote=\"Namie\"]When I saw this proposal, my heart sank. My partner at work is due to deliver at year end and already my boss told me I am not allowed to take leave or MC during the time she is on maternity leave and until she is back. She is taking the whole 4 months + her annual leave + a few more days no pay leave. I have to cover all her work. Both of us work till 8-9pm every day so I might as well sleep in office during the time she is away. My boxes told me I can get a sleeping bag to catch up sleep during lunch. Now 6 mths!
Work-life for pregnant women. What about other co-workers?
We are working in a major government agency.
And if you are single, you are not supposed (unwritten rule in my sis's place) to take leave during the school holidays. These are meant for parents to spend time with the kids. -
Daddy
Haha... The bosses kbkp Liao....http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1215454/1/.html
[quote]SNEF against extending maternity leave, proposes other incentives...
The Singapore National Employers Federation (SNEF) said legislating more and different types of leave will add to labour costs and have other unintended negative effects.... feels the current four months leave is already generous, compared to regional countries and economic competitors.
One suggestion is to have \"baby bonus for bosses\", where tax incentives are given to employers, whose employees go on maternity leave....
WTH is \"baby bonus for bosses\"?.... :faint:[/quote]
wow... then bosses will put their job advert \"pregnant women are most welcome\". Or \"Preference will be given to women who are 7 or 8 mth pregnant\" :rotflmao: -
this is a comparison of paid maternity leave for different countries:
sweden: 16 mths
denmark: 13 mths (2 wks for husband)
norway: about 11 mths (3 mths for husband)
finland: about 9 mths (5 mths to be shared with husband)
singapore: 4 mths
japan: 3.5 mths
US: 3 mths (no salary)
china: about 3 mths
HK: 2.5 mths
malaysia: not less than 2 mths
korea: 2 mths
taiwan: 2 mths -
If the government were to extend this 6-months' paid leave new benefit to married female employee who will be conceiving in the near future may jeopardise their job security as it is too long for a company to await for her return if no other office staff could help up, it becomes an additional operating cost for company to hire a temp staff to cover her duties. Rationally if the temp staff's performance within this 6 months is acceptable by the company, do you think the boss of the company may consider to retain and extend the contract with the temp staff and kick out the female who is on maternity leave with some sorts of compensation ? Nothing is guaranteed :moneyflies:
Presently, 4 months are considered long for some companies and now if going for 6 months .... really cannot imaging what will be the career future for pregnant staff or newly-wed female job seekers ?! -
NewKSmum:
I think those having one kid might be affected too during finding job?If the government were to extend this 6-months' paid leave new benefit to married female employee who will be conceiving in the near future may jeopardise their job security as it is too long for a company to await for her return if no other office staff could help up, it becomes an additional operating cost for company to hire a temp staff to cover her duties. Rationally if the temp staff's performance within this 6 months is acceptable by the company, do you think the boss of the company may consider to retain and extend the contract with the temp staff and kick out the female who is on maternity leave with some sorts of compensation ? Nothing is guaranteed :moneyflies:
Presently, 4 months are considered long for some companies and now if going for 6 months .... really cannot imaging what will be the career future for pregnant staff or newly-wed female job seekers ?!
Hopefully, not extend...
Find that is not helping at all. -
NewKSmum:
If the government were to extend this 6-months' paid leave new benefit to married female employee who will be conceiving in the near future may jeopardise their job security as it is too long for a company to await for her return if no other office staff could help up, it becomes an additional operating cost for company to hire a temp staff to cover her duties. Rationally if the temp staff's performance within this 6 months is acceptable by the company, do you think the boss of the company may consider to retain and extend the contract with the temp staff and kick out the female who is on maternity leave with some sorts of compensation ? Nothing is guaranteed :moneyflies:
Presently, 4 months are considered long for some companies and now if going for 6 months .... really cannot imaging what will be the career future for pregnant staff or newly-wed female job seekers ?!
Think it's definitely too long and will affect mothers planning to return to work.
During my time, maternity was only 2 months. During the pregnancy period, I had a 1week hospital leave, took 2 months maternity leave and extend another 2 weeks after delivery. So total was 2 and 3/4 months.
My annual appraisal that year was downgraded....my supervisor secretly disclosed that the new management said it was due to my pregnancy.....I was away for ~3 months within a year.
6 months would mean that you are not contributing to the company for at least half a year....does not make economic sense at company standpoint.
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