Asia spending billions on tutors: study
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Imami:
from the perspective of getting to know the child more in order to help the child, I would agree that a proficiency test is necessary. (Just to add that from I gathered from the radio talk show, when potential clients take proficiency tests at TLL, if they dont meet the mark, they would be turned away. In this case, I find havign such tests unacceptable.)
what is wrong with taking a test ? and asking what school he is from ? without knowing the background and the standard of the child, how to expect the tutor to know where to start & how to start to help ? I believe your son's tutor is not God and won't know unless there is some form of assessment to find out what your son knows and does not know.verykiasu2010:
[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]
My son's tutors are not teachers. They are private tutors.
As for screening, I feel that it's ridiculous. The reason why my son needed tuition is because he is failing. Wanted to register my son at a tuition centre last year when my son flunk P5 Math...my boy was told to sit for a test and asked questions like what school he attended and what class. :slapshead:
if the tutor does not find out, you would next post in this forum that the tutor is so terrible and useless to repeat what your son already know and not helping him what he does not know and blame him for not finding out ....
However, I wonder why the need to ask about the child's school and the class? Sterotyping here, isn't it? If my child is from atas school, then got hope. If neighbourhood school, no need to bother?[/quote]I think you are mistaken
Even for TLL, the test is also to stream tuition kids to the same level of ability to be more effective in a tuition class. TLL is not a one to one tuition place
For Janet case, the tutor need to know the school and class, for who knows, her son could be from NYPS ha class, their math ability would be different from say rulang bottom class. The progress and ability of these kids from diff school / class could be diff though by end of p6 they would have covered all the same stuff
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Imami:
from the perspective of getting to know the child more in order to help the child, I would agree that a proficiency test is necessary. (Just to add that from I gathered from the radio talk show, when potential clients take proficiency tests at TLL, if they dont meet the mark, they would be turned away. In this case, I find havign such tests unacceptable.)
what is wrong with taking a test ? and asking what school he is from ? without knowing the background and the standard of the child, how to expect the tutor to know where to start & how to start to help ? I believe your son's tutor is not God and won't know unless there is some form of assessment to find out what your son knows and does not know.verykiasu2010:
[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]
My son's tutors are not teachers. They are private tutors.
As for screening, I feel that it's ridiculous. The reason why my son needed tuition is because he is failing. Wanted to register my son at a tuition centre last year when my son flunk P5 Math...my boy was told to sit for a test and asked questions like what school he attended and what class. :slapshead:
if the tutor does not find out, you would next post in this forum that the tutor is so terrible and useless to repeat what your son already know and not helping him what he does not know and blame him for not finding out ....
However, I wonder why the need to ask about the child's school and the class? Sterotyping here, isn't it? If my child is from atas school, then got hope. If neighbourhood school, no need to bother?[/quote]Perhaps you have too much stereotyping yourself about school and tuition and so-called atas schools? Time to remove the tinted glass -
ChiefKiasu:
ksi:
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MOE's response
[color=#FF0000]MOE's stand on the issue is that teachers are strictly not allowed to tutor students from the same school in private.
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Source: http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20090225-124547.html
In truth, life is never fair. We are all born to different families with different fortunes, different parents with different skills. When I was in Primary 2, my form teacher's son studied in the same class as me. We took the same compo writing, spelling, dictation, etc which was marked by the teacher. Despite that, I was still good friends with him and outperformed him in other subjects not taught by his mother.
When we go out to work, we face the same kind of \"unfairness\". Colleagues who could be related to or very good friends with bosses. Colleagues who might be richer, better connected, or prettier than ourselves. Colleagues who might be more talented than ourselves. We can't all scream \"UNFAIR!\" and seek recourse.
Better that we prepare our children for these harsh realities of life, and teach them how to handle these situations than to look for someone to \"right the wrong\" for us.
I agree with you on this. When I was in Pri sch, I used to envy those students whose teachers were from the same school, until I had a classmate who was the second-born of one of my teachers. He was notoriously naughty because he was highly pressurized as his older bro was the top student, and his father was teacher there
. It is better to look at what we have and not what we do not have, and try to achieve the most out of it.
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Your last sentence says it all concern2. :goodpost:
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[quote="verykiasu2010]
Perhaps you have too much stereotyping yourself about school and tuition and so-called atas schools? Time to remove the tinted glass[/quote]
I read this post a few times and thought about it. I still feel that, no leh –
1.\tI don’t see why knowing the school and class is important and
2.\tI don’t think I have a discrimination against neighbourhood schools. I came from neighbourhood schools.
My niece and nephew were from a neighbourhood primary school and they are now in an IP school (best class some more and btw, they are twins). My best friend from primary school scored 282 in PSLE, went to NYGS but ended up with only 2 O Level credits (i.e. English and MT) whereas me, scored 245 in the same paper, went to a neighbourhood pai kia school but ended up with 6 distinctions.
I have personally seen examples to prove that going to the atas schools may not guarantee success and that being in a neighbourhood school may not mean being a mediocre. Hence, I don’t think my opinion is that closed and narrow about neighbourhood schools.
No matter what school/class the children come from, at TLL (or other establishments) don’t they sit for the same proficiency tests? If yes, the results would speak for themselves.
Any comments anyone? I may not have enough experience to shape a wholesome and healthy perspective. Appreciate your comments. -
ChiefKiasu:
ksi:
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MOE's response
MOE's stand on the issue is that teachers are strictly not allowed to tutor students from the same school in private.
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Source: http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20090225-124547.html
In truth, life is never fair. We are all born to different families with different fortunes, different parents with different skills. When I was in Primary 2, my form teacher's son studied in the same class as me. We took the same compo writing, spelling, dictation, etc which was marked by the teacher. Despite that, I was still good friends with him and outperformed him in other subjects not taught by his mother.
When we go out to work, we face the same kind of \"unfairness\". Colleagues who could be related to or very good friends with bosses. Colleagues who might be richer, better connected, or prettier than ourselves. Colleagues who might be more talented than ourselves. We can't all scream \"UNFAIR!\" and seek recourse.
[color=#004000]Better that we prepare our children for these harsh realities of life, and teach them how to handle these situations than to look for someone to \"right the wrong\" for us.
Hi,
I agree to those highlighted in green (the colour don't turn up). So these are the words,\"Better that we prepare our children for these harsh realities of life, and teach them how to handle these situations than to look for someone to \"right the wrong\" for us.\"
When my 2nd DS always told me \"Unfair!\", I told him,\"It's true in the real world, life is unfair. You still need to face it.\"
I would rather train him and let him face some ups and downs in life to make him a stronger and better person in future. But as parents especially mothers tend to be more soft hearted so sometimes I tell myself need to be 狠心, if not he cannot grow up, always act and think like baby.
These are my thoughts. :hi5: -
I feel it is perfectly acceptable to ask for the child’s background. So far i have made enquiries at 3 reputable Maths tuition centres. All asked for dd’s school, level, last SA marks and 1 centre requires dd to sit for a test (i think all know who lah).
From these info they gathered, they can stream the child accordingly and most importantly can track how much improvement after the child has attended their tuition. KPI again… -
Agree with that KSP, cos when I inquired at Mindstretcher thinking to perhaps sign up for DD2 last year for Math they asked the same questions. To me, it’s more like filling up the blanks in a Personal Particulars form, no biggie at all. Upon hearing that DD2 has been scoring 90s to full marks range… the lady advised that I bring in her last semestral exam results and encouraged me to allow her to sit for a test. If she can manage that test she should go for HA (Higher Ability) class where concepts won’t be repeated but instead children will be exposed to more challenging Math, rather than be stuck in their Achiever class which is more tutoring than enriching her already good foundation in math concepts. They also showed samples of their worksheets.
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ChiefKiasu:
Better that we prepare our children for these harsh realities of life, and teach them how to handle these situations than to look for someone to \"right the wrong\" for us.
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Imami:
This is off-topic, but I'm curious to know how your best friend can go from scoring 282 at PSLE to only 2 O level credits. 282 means she's one of the top scorers for that year?
My best friend from primary school scored 282 in PSLE, went to NYGS but ended up with only 2 O Level credits (i.e. English and MT) whereas me, scored 245 in the same paper, went to a neighbourhood pai kia school but ended up with 6 distinctions.
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