City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged

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verykiasu2010:

Dreamaurora:

Personally, I don't think Kong Hee and the gang will escape unscathed from this ordeal. ACG does not commence this kind of high-profile case frivolously and complete acquittal may also mean intense public backlash.

agree with the first para

anything touching on religion is highly sensitive and in this internet age, it is not to be embarked upon frivolously

possibly the outcome could be poor judgement and poor internal control and act of negligence wrt to regulations under Charity Act

the court cannot decide and impose rules on use of funds between the church and members, it is a private matter and the state does not interfere in church (religious) affairs unless it pertains to national security / treason etc (any one feel free to argue otherwise)

whatever the outcome, the name of Christianity has been tarnished

kwcllf:

Even if KH and gang escaped unscathed, many of CHC's doctrine have been exposed. The prosprity gospel they preached and KH asked people to \"empty out all you have\" - they have opened up the eyes of the public at large. Even KH qualification on theology from an unaccredited institution says much about his \"integrity\".

Except for brainwashed people, such facts are enough to warn people to keep away from them.

Ecclesiastes 12:14

God will bring every deed into judgment - including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

[rains]

slmkhoo:

Way2GO:

[quote=\"slmkhoo\"] But do the crimes here carry strict liability? Only some crimes do; I don't know if these do.

I don't know under which section(s) of d Penal Code they r being charged.
However for CBT, prosecution only need to show intent to cheat.
How is Defence going to explain away d roundtripping n falsifying of accounts, if not intent to cheat, if presented as hard evidences?

I agree with you; I was only refuting the point about once charged, they should be regarded as 'guilty until proven innocent'. Whatever our private opinions, the final arbiter of guilt in law is the court.[/quote]I didn't say that they 'should be' regarded as guilty until proven innocent. I merely stated my own observation how the law has treated them. Theoretically, Singapore law stipulates that one is innocent until proven guilty, but in practice, is it really like that? In my opinion, if they are treated as innocent until proven guilty, they shouldn't be 'arrested', their passport shouldn't be impounded. And I have never taken a stand of against or for pastor kong.

[Daddy D]

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1216081/1/.html

[quote]S'porean Ram Tiwary acquitted of double murder...[/quote] :offtopic:
But shows SC very power... After 8 yrs also can be acquitted... :yikes:

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Daddy

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1216081/1/.html


But shows SC very power... After 8 yrs also can be acquitted... :yikes:

yes, very powerful indeed.
from an initial 48 years imprisonment jail term become .... 8 years acquitted & now roaming the streets freely, a free man.

That's why KH on one hand claim \"I Maintain my integrity\", while in stark contrast irony on the other hand, he's prepared to fork out millions of dollars pay this MP lawyer RI Tong, to protect his dear life, at all costs.

[mnw]

slmkhoo:

Way2GO:

[quote=\"slmkhoo\"] But do the crimes here carry strict liability? Only some crimes do; I don't know if these do.

I don't know under which section(s) of d Penal Code they r being charged.
However for CBT, prosecution only need to show intent to cheat.
How is Defence going to explain away d roundtripping n falsifying of accounts, if not intent to cheat, if presented as hard evidences?

I agree with you; I was only refuting the point about once charged, they should be regarded as 'guilty until proven innocent'. Whatever our private opinions, the final arbiter of guilt in law is the court.[/quote]Actually, I noticed many people failed to observe that Kong Hee maintains his 'integrity', he never said he maintains his 'innocence'. integrity and innocence are completely different issues.

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mnw:

Actually, I noticed many people failed to observe that Kong Hee maintains his 'integrity', he never said he maintains his 'innocence'. integrity and innocence are completely different issues.

can enlighten us what's the difference ?
thought is the same, but then i could be wrong. Innocence, we all know. But why integrity can be different from innocence ? This part, not too clear. maybe can give example(s) to illustrate ?Thanks.

[zakashi]

In the news headline, he said he will be vindicated. Vindicated means found innocent.

[mnw]

phtthp:

mnw:

Actually, I noticed many people failed to observe that Kong Hee maintains his 'integrity', he never said he maintains his 'innocence'. integrity and innocence are completely different issues.

can enlighten us what's the difference ?
thought is the same, but then i could be wrong. Innocence, we all know. But why integrity can be different from innocence ? This part, not too clear. maybe can give example(s) to illustrate ?Thanks.

Integrity = The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
Innocence (or guiltlessness) = term used to indicate a lack of guilt, with respect to any kind of crime, sin, or wrongdoing. In a legal context, innocence refers to the lack of legal guilt of an individual, with respect to a crime.

So Kong Hee maintained his character to be honest, but he never maintained that he is without guilt with respect to a crime.

Best thing for him then is to be honest about whether he is innocent.

[phtthp]

http://sporehallofshame.blogspot.sg/2012/07/kong-hee-and-sun-ho-blind-pursuit-of.html

[zakashi]

KH has his extraordinary mission for God to attract people who associate with satan. In the bible, Jesus befriended many sinners. Whereas the so called holy people were ashamed to be with the questionable behaviour kind of people. They did not even try to get this people to walk in the righ path nor show love and compassion.


The problem with CHC, is the use of church members funds which involves millions $$$ of dollars in a way which surprises many.