MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni

[weyw]

vicki:

My thoughts.


They should completely do away with all phases and distances or should they?

> I keep hearing everyone say must be fair and stuff (either to those alumni/ volunteers/ within 2km etc) so if we should be completely fair, i believe we should just do away with all the phases and all go for balloting at their school of choice. Then its just luck whether you get in or not. If you think you are in a school that is 'too far' from your house, then just shift house lor - since it doesnt really seem like an issue to 'shift near the school of choice in the first place'.


> Any other methods to allocate schools other than the above is definitely not a 'fair' method - so depends on where you are positioned now - you will probably shout hurray or grumble (me included!)

And - i dont really buy the argument of 'i stay near a school and therefore i should have my birthright of getting in'.

It might not apply to all , but some parents 'purposely buy a house near a good school - cant get in - then complain/ grumble whatever - using this statement.'

I mean if you are really that concerned abt staying near the school - then just buy a house near a 'unpopular' school and send your kids there lor - bao get in one - BUT - are you willing?

So, back to my grumble - pple are grumbling cos things do not go in accordance with their plans - hence not abt the distance/ phases issue - but rather a 'popular school issue'.

:goodpost:

[rains]

wearefamily:

I seriously don't get this thread. Parents should be rejoicing that they are given priority to send their kids to their alma mater. Why are they demanding that this priviledge should be taken away from them? I believe all Singapore parents would have had gone to primary school and thus will have an alma mater.


I believe what should be done instead is to remove the school rankings system.

Hahaha ... You really make me laugh, not in a derogatory manner but after all the fights of over hundred pages, you are asking a very innocent question. I like you!

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[weyw]

magiccastle:

If we are looking at the issue of p1 registration, the focus shd not just on the alumni. I mentioned the pty issue because it will be truly unfair that just bec I put a deposit to purchase the pty in feb 2012which is not even on construction yet I can register my child in July this year for the school near to the new pty project . So anyone with $$ who is not residing near to the school can compete with the existing residents . If this is current ruling, it has to be changed. It shd be after top and staying at the pty at the year of registration for p1.

I like it!

[phtthp]

weyw:

magiccastle:

If we are looking at the issue of p1 registration, the focus shd not just on the alumni. I mentioned the pty issue because it will be truly unfair that just bec I put a deposit to purchase the pty in feb 2012which is not even on construction yet I can register my child in July this year for the school near to the new pty project . So anyone with $$ who is not residing near to the school can compete with the existing residents . If this is current ruling, it has to be changed. It shd be after top and staying at the pty at the year of registration for p1.

I like it!

Excellent Post !! :goodpost:

[limlim]

Maybe I should write a letter to LTA to complain about the heavy traffic and congestion, and point out that part of the traffic is contributed by pple who travel 20km from one end of the island to the other to send the kids to school.


If there is absolute distance priority, many pple, even those not remotely involved in P1 registration, would be pleased.. :evil: if LTA would seek cooperation from MOE for a better policy for the best interest of the population.

road warriors.. ask yourself.. traveling on the road during school term and school holidays during peak hours, does it makes a difference?

And we can see if the above argument got merit or not..

I heard from taxi drivers that traffic conditions is vastly different during school term and school holidays.. and I believe their comment/observations does have some merit bcoz they're on the road more then many others.

[phtthp]

weyw:

vicki:

My thoughts.


They should completely do away with all phases and distances or should they?

> I keep hearing everyone say must be fair and stuff (either to those alumni/ volunteers/ within 2km etc) so if we should be completely fair, i believe we should just do away with all the phases and all go for balloting at their school of choice. Then its just luck whether you get in or not. If you think you are in a school that is 'too far' from your house, then just shift house lor - since it doesnt really seem like an issue to 'shift near the school of choice in the first place'.


> Any other methods to allocate schools other than the above is definitely not a 'fair' method - so depends on where you are positioned now - you will probably shout hurray or grumble (me included!)

And - i dont really buy the argument of 'i stay near a school and therefore i should have my birthright of getting in'.

It might not apply to all , but some parents 'purposely buy a house near a good school - cant get in - then complain/ grumble whatever - using this statement.'

I mean if you are really that concerned abt staying near the school - then just buy a house near a 'unpopular' school and send your kids there lor - bao get in one - BUT - are you willing?

So, back to my grumble - pple are grumbling cos things do not go in accordance with their plans - hence not abt the distance/ phases issue - but rather a 'popular school issue'.

:goodpost:

yes, vicki. agree with you that this distance / phase issue is just a camoflauge to hide the underlying fundamental issue - ie. want to get into \"popular school issue\".

Those people can't get into popular good school behave like this - an equivalent analogy in a harsh, realistic working world scenario :-

Suppose you've been working in a company -
very experienced now. You'd grown up with the company like a baby once upon a time, today reached a very senior position. In the past, you'd contributed tremendously to your company. Your effort is recognised, and you get promoted. Your job today is comfortable, secure and you are very senior.

Then one day come along X - an external party. X keep eyeing your position, very envious, kind of jealous. X want your position so badly. X craftily plan ways and means to get rid of you, so that X can take over your post. X plan to oust you out, \"ursurp\" your position. In short, X want to Snatch your rice bowl. But are you going to sit down quietly, do nothing and just watch X snatch away your hard earned position, just like that ?

Likewise, the same harsh, cruel reality - is being replicated across, into P1 registration scenario :-

Alumni members from popular schools are those who had grown up with the school, from very young days. They spent their entire childhood in that primary school, they simply love his / her alma mater.

Then X came along. X also has his own alma mater. But for some reason or other, X dislike or hate his / her alma mater so much. Instead, X keep eyeing at this hot, popular school. X keep thinking, \"if only my child can get into that hot school. If only, if only .... \" So X plan and devise all ways & means - hitting hard at all the alumni members inside this hot, poular school.

So long as X is able to grab one great, golden chance to force any of the alumni members from this hot schools to come out, X is happy. X think to himself, \"I just need ONE seat for my child, tolong tolong !\" So X happily chant at \"Kiasu parents\" forum - making all sorts of complaints, grouses to create attention. The more attention and support X gain from people in the same boat as X, X rejoice. X has no mercy. Everyday, X made attempt wherever possible to keep poking at the alumni members. X enjoy irritating the alumni members.

But once X gets into the hot school, X doesn't bother anymore. Heck care ! Once X manage to get into popular school, X change his stand quickly & position. X will safeguard his / her alumni preciously & jealously, for his / her future next generation to enjoy. No way is X going to allow anyone touch his / her precious child's future confirmed alumni seat now.

Regardless of whether alumni members from hot schools stay right at the doorstep of the hot school, or stay far away where many people like X seize this chance to keep throwing rotten eggs at them, or keep throwing stones at them shouting aloud \"Come out! You don't deserve that place. I want it !!! [/ \" - the Truth remain. An alumni member will always be an alumni member, for as long as they live.

Those parents whose child just got in this year (2013 P1) or in recent years intake via Phase 2B or 2C - your child will also become an alumni member one day. Once your child complete PSLE P6, your child can join the \"Junior alumni membership club first, no need to pay any single cent.\" But only when they reach above 21 years old and start working life, then they can join the actual alumni membership club.

verykiasu2010:

wearefamily:

I seriously don't get this thread. Parents should be rejoicing that they are given priority to send their kids to their alma mater. Why are they demanding that this priviledge should be taken away from them? I believe all Singapore parents would have had gone to primary school and thus will have an alma mater.

I believe what should be done instead is to remove the school rankings system.

because they are not alumni of those popular schools and their kids do not have the priority yet to those popular schools

after their kids get in and become future alumni of the popular school, they will want to keep this priority

who cares about priority to non-popular schools !

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[Imami]

limlim:

Maybe I should write a letter to LTA to complain about the heavy traffic and congestion, and point out that part of the traffic is contributed by pple who travel 20km from one end of the island to the other to send the kids to school.


If there is absolute distance priority, many pple, even those not remotely involved in P1 registration, would be pleased.. :evil: if LTA would seek cooperation from MOE for a better policy for the best interest of the population.

road warriors.. ask yourself.. traveling on the road during school term and school holidays during peak hours, does it makes a difference?

And we can see if the above argument got merit or not..

I heard from taxi drivers that traffic conditions is vastly different during school term and school holidays.. and I believe their comment/observations does have some merit bcoz they're on the road more then many others.

Got difference…. Very obvious difference. During school holidays, my colleagues are almost never late. During school terms, almost all are never punctual.

I am no different from the rest. We leave home everyday around the same time but we reach our offices earlier during school holiday.

[3Boys]

Does the alumni who contributed significantly and loves his Secondary School get priority admission for his child to that school? NO


Does the alumni who contributed significantly and loves his Junior College get priority admission for his child to that school? NO

Does the alumni who contributed significantly and loves his University get priority admission for his child to that school? NO

Does the alumni for a Primary school who cares not one whit for his primary school and lifts not one finger, except to fill the P1 registration form, get priority for that child to that school? YES

So, those who support alumni priority for PRIMARY school admissions, applied indiscriminately as is presently the case, tell me the logic of this policy again?

[wearefamily]

Because this phase benefits the MAJORITY of singaporean parents and Primary school entry is not based on merits.