Is GEP really necessary?
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2ppaamm:
Hi Comfy, you might want to do some research around the GEP thread to get this answer, I won't be able to give you a complete list at this time, because I have to go sleep.
Hi 2ppaamm, may I know what are the perks and privileges that GEP have besides smaller ratio of teacher to student and DSA?comfy:
[quote=\"2ppaamm\"] With all the perks and privileges, if GEP continues to fail to produce students BETTER than mainstream, there is going to be further discrimination against GEPpers.....
the unwarranted privileges given to GEPpers.....
Till next year, everyone, Bye bye! :imanisland:[/quote]Hi Comfy
Do you agree that gep breeds overinflated ego within the children and that gep kids are given \"unwarranted privileges\" - meaning unjustified, not reasonable, not necessary?
I have a gep kid and I know the kids in her class. Her good friend meets up with her former classmates from a non-gep school frequently. My dd's HCL mainstream(intermingled class) often sms for help and my dd helps her. No, I do not see any overinflated egos in my dd or her classmates. They are just like any other kids. They work hard to produce good works. Sometimes, I find the amount of work they have to handle quite overwhelming. Not all kids can handle the demands. Besides class-size, what unwarranted privileges do they have? I am peeved when people make statements, do not justify them and then run away. Is it wrong to have special programmes for pull-out students who are capable of moving on to a higher level? Is it justiable to hold them back just to be fair to everyone else? No, gep is not an elitist programme. My dd is very fortunate to be in the programme. It is a good programme. -
RachelSmiley:
Hi Comfy
Hi Comfy, you might want to do some research around the GEP thread to get this answer, I won't be able to give you a complete list at this time, because I have to go sleep.2ppaamm:
[quote=\"comfy\"]quote=\"2ppaamm\" With all the perks and privileges, if GEP continues to fail to produce students BETTER than mainstream, there is going to be further discrimination against GEPpers.....
the unwarranted privileges given to GEPpers...../quote.
Hi 2ppaamm, may I know what are the perks and privileges that GEP have besides smaller ratio of teacher to student and DSA?
Till next year, everyone, Bye bye! :imanisland:
Do you agree that gep breeds overinflated ego within the children and that gep kids are given \"unwarranted privileges\" - meaning unjustified, not reasonable, not necessary?
I have a gep kid and I know the kids in her class. Her good friend meets up with her former classmates from a non-gep school frequently. My dd's HCL mainstream(intermingled class) often sms for help and my dd helps her. No, I do not see any overinflated egos in my dd or her classmates. They are just like any other kids. They work hard to produce good works. Sometimes, I find the amount of work they have to handle quite overwhelming. Not all kids can handle the demands. Besides class-size, what unwarranted privileges do they have? I am peeved when people make statements, do not justify them and then run away. Is it wrong to have special programmes for pull-out students who are capable of moving on to a higher level? Is it justiable to hold them back just to be fair to everyone else? No, gep is not an elitist programme. My dd is very fortunate to be in the programme. It is a good programme.[/quote]Hi RachelSmiley,
I don't think so. That why I ask 2ppaamm that question. Perhaps she know more (from her comment) . Maybe there are kids with inflated egos but I believe they are in the minority. When my dd was in P4, her teacher told them (the class) that everyone is gifted in different ways, some are good in certain subjects and other might found it more challenging.
Yes, to me GEP is just a programme and a programme that my dd enjoyed.
I am puzzled when 2ppaamm, kept on mentioning 'perks and privileges that GEP have ', (besides DSA and smaller ratio), so what others if she can kindly point out. This is so that other parents can be enlighten as well. To 2ppaamm, I have been following the GEP thread, so far, these are the 'benefits' that frequently mentioned, so if you can and if you have the time (after a restful sleep, :snooze: :snooze: ), please share more. -
RachelSmiley:
I think you have to take issues with whoever said this to you, and if your kid has been targeted this way, GEP or not, then I think you should really stand up for your kid.
Do you agree that gep breeds overinflated ego within the children and that gep kids are given \"unwarranted privileges\" - meaning unjustified, not reasonable, not necessary?
As for what kind of privileges, I have noticed you participated in many pages since 2010 about this issues. I have taken for granted that people know about these. If not, as a GEP mum, you should really find out. Why don't you point Comfy to those pages? I am sure you are a good source of information, because I honestly did not participate in them.
One of my son's friend went to RI on the back of a GEP DSA, with an EEIS. His PSLE aggregate was 24x. He was in the RI GEP class. The RI cutoff that year was 26x. Because of the place he took up, a boy with 26x missed by 0.0xx and was deprived of it, so he probably went to a school of lower cutoff, say HCI that year (2007), a boy of 26x also did not make it to HCI because the cutoff raised by 0.0xx for HCI, and so he goes to let's say Dunman, cutoff say 25x, depriving another child of a place in Dunman, who would otherwise have made it to Dunman. Another child, who would have made to Dunman, missed by 0.00xx to Dunman and went to St Nicks, let's say, with a cutoff of 25x. Because of this, another girl at 25x cannot get in and has to go to say, Crescent Girls. Crescent's cutoff got raised as well, and now becomes 24x. This GEP boy, without the DSA should have gone to school with a cutoff of lower than 245, but he went to RI, depriving at least another 3 or 4 children of their rightful places in the school of their choices. So DSA privilege, while it seems small, is really huge in its effect, so let's not downplay that. One DSA place can affect the lives of 4 or 5, how many GEP DSA places do we have, and how many of them do not meet the COP? Much more than tens, I can tell you, which means up to hundreds of children will not get to their schools of choices because those tens were given unfair advantage on the back of their GEP selection tests.
The next privilege can be found here. http://www.moe.gov.sg/initiatives/edusave/funds-grants-awards/eesis/
There is nothing wrong with your child enjoying the GEP program, and you are entitled with your opinion that GEP is a good program, that's good for you! But that does not mean there is no unfairness in the system. Those are independent, and mutually exclusive issues.
BTW, I am spending time to explain things. If I detect any unwarranted or sarcastic remarks from anyone, I will leave the thread immediately. Just like everyone else, my time is precious, too, and I can choose not to answer anything I don't want to. This is a forum, so let's be polite if we need information from one another. -
comfy:
Ok, now small ratio class. Just curious, do you believe that your child requires the smaller class ratio compared to a weaker child? :scratchhead:
Hi RachelSmiley,
I don't think so. That why I ask 2ppaamm that question. Perhaps she know more (from her comment) . Maybe there are kids with inflated egos but I believe they are in the minority. When my dd was in P4, her teacher told them (the class) that everyone is gifted in different ways, some are good in certain subjects and other might found it more challenging.
Yes, to me GEP is just a programme and a programme that my dd enjoyed.
I am puzzled when 2ppaamm, kept on mentioning 'perks and privileges that GEP have ', (besides DSA and smaller ratio), so what others if she can kindly point out. This is so that other parents can be enlighten as well. To 2ppaamm, I have been following the GEP thread, so far, these are the 'benefits' that frequently mentioned, so if you can and if you have the time (after a restful sleep, :snooze: :snooze: ), please share more. -
2ppaamm:
For my child, depends on the subject and teacher. Weaker child in term of academic subjects?
Ok, now small ratio class. Just curious, do you believe that your child requires the smaller class ratio compared to a weaker child? :scratchhead:comfy:
Hi RachelSmiley,
I don't think so. That why I ask 2ppaamm that question. Perhaps she know more (from her comment) . Maybe there are kids with inflated egos but I believe they are in the minority. When my dd was in P4, her teacher told them (the class) that everyone is gifted in different ways, some are good in certain subjects and other might found it more challenging.
Yes, to me GEP is just a programme and a programme that my dd enjoyed.
I am puzzled when 2ppaamm, kept on mentioning 'perks and privileges that GEP have ', (besides DSA and smaller ratio), so what others if she can kindly point out. This is so that other parents can be enlighten as well. To 2ppaamm, I have been following the GEP thread, so far, these are the 'benefits' that frequently mentioned, so if you can and if you have the time (after a restful sleep, :snooze: :snooze: ), please share more.
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comfy:
Yes, do you think a child weaker academically than your child should have a smaller class than your child, and why or why not?
For my child, depends on the subject and teacher. Weaker child in term of academic subjects? -
Why need to argue with kids?
They are straight-forward kids. Let them express their view because they have experienced it.
Forum is to login and logout. Why put the words inside the heart. If the heart is too small to take in criticsm or support, don’t participate in forum.
If you browse thru teenager’s facebook comments, all are very straight-forward and they don’t care the feeling of the other party.
sua sua gi
buat bodoh lah
don’t care -
I not siding with anyone.
Just that respect should be given to all who takes time to write something meaningful here for the benefit of all, whether they are just a student or a professional.
Do avoid \"XYZ\" kind of words even in hot topics, think we don't want our children to learn that, right?
I do not have any kids in GEP nor I know about GEP. I just curious so come here to see see look look.
Do have a nice weekend though! :imcool: -
2ppaamm:
All I know of is that Gep kids have to work hard in order to be offered CO through DSA. They have to 'justified' themselves through showing what they have achieved throughout their 3 years in that programme. Yes, I will like to believe that they most did well for their SA1 (P5 & P6) but perhaps a handful didn't get high PSLE score but because of DSA are able to enter those schools that you mentioned. Personally, I think this is the beauty of DSA, isn' it, not just based on one PSLE exam but allow the schools to accept certain/different type of students. From what I read from the DSA thread, quite a few of maintstream students are also offered CO/WL regardless of their PSLE aggregate. So ultimately, it depends on the school.
I think you have to take issues with whoever said this to you, and if your kid has been targeted this way, GEP or not, then I think you should really stand up for your kid.RachelSmiley:
Do you agree that gep breeds overinflated ego within the children and that gep kids are given \"unwarranted privileges\" - meaning unjustified, not reasonable, not necessary?
As for what kind of privileges, I have noticed you participated in many pages since 2010 about this issues. I have taken for granted that people know about these. If not, as a GEP mum, you should really find out. Why don't you point Comfy to those pages? I am sure you are a good source of information, because I honestly did not participate in them.
One of my son's friend went to RI on the back of a GEP DSA, with an EEIS. His PSLE aggregate was 24x. He was in the RI GEP class. The RI cutoff that year was 26x. Because of the place he took up, a boy with 26x missed by 0.0xx and was deprived of it, so he probably went to a school of lower cutoff, say HCI that year (2007), a boy of 26x also did not make it to HCI because the cutoff raised by 0.0xx for HCI, and so he goes to let's say Dunman, cutoff say 25x, depriving another child of a place in Dunman, who would otherwise have made it to Dunman. Another child, who would have made to Dunman, missed by 0.00xx to Dunman and went to St Nicks, let's say, with a cutoff of 25x. Because of this, another girl at 25x cannot get in and has to go to say, Crescent Girls. Crescent's cutoff got raised as well, and now becomes 24x. This GEP boy, without the DSA should have gone to school with a cutoff of lower than 245, but he went to RI, depriving at least another 3 or 4 children of their rightful places in the school of their choices. So DSA privilege, while it seems small, is really huge in its effect, so let's not downplay that. One DSA place can affect the lives of 4 or 5, how many GEP DSA places do we have, and how many of them do not meet the COP? Much more than tens, I can tell you, which means up to hundreds of children will not get to their schools of choices because those tens were given unfair advantage on the back of their GEP selection tests.
The next privilege can be found here. http://www.moe.gov.sg/initiatives/edusave/funds-grants-awards/eesis/
There is nothing wrong with your child enjoying the GEP program, and you are entitled with your opinion that GEP is a good program, that's good for you! But that does not mean there is no unfairness in the system. Those are independent, and mutually exclusive issues. -
2ppaamm:
A conditional yes. If the teacher is able/willing to teach and identify the weakness of the kid. If the kid wants to improve. Have I answer your questoin? Pardon me, have to read your post a few times, getting old.
Yes, do you think a child weaker academically than your child should have a smaller class than your child, and why or why not?comfy:
For my child, depends on the subject and teacher. Weaker child in term of academic subjects?
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