Is GEP really necessary?
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2ppaamm:
No, I know it will be there. Just waiting to see if the worms have started eating it up to form holes. Sometimes, it is better to :peekaboo:
yeah...like this one.....![](\"http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/phpbb3/download/file.php?avatar=3115_1345764908.jpg\")
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Nebbermind:
Hm... time to change my avatar too...2ppaamm:
No, I know it will be there. Just waiting to see if the worms have started eating it up to form holes. Sometimes, it is better to :peekaboo:
yeah...like this one..... -
Chenonceau:
Chen, with those written in blue (last paragraph), Jeremy will start to sell GEP notes instead of Top school papers liao....
Woah! Why am I quoted? I hardly posted here! I know too little about today's GEP to make intelligent comment. The ONLY points I wrote in here were...Edureach:
Let me illustrate why there are some hidden values from the postings of 2ppaam, chenonceau and some others in this thread. I shall attempt to answer it from another perspective, stock investment and trading. These contributors hve mentioned ideas such as understand yourself, positioning, selection of battle ground, opportunities, training, preserverance, psychology, aptitude/attitude and accountability for one's decisions.
At this juncture, let me quote the following famed investors and trader in our modern era.
John Templeton: The price appreciation of a stock depends on the uptrend of its earning per share
Warren Buffet: In the shorterm, the price of a stock is determined by popular votes whereas in the longterm, its being determined by its intrisnic/franchise value.
Jessie Levimorre: Throughout my learning journey, its is the sitting that i found most difficult to master.
All of us will observe that when we turn on to cna, bloomsberg cnbc, mainstreamtream medias, we will come across analysts giving their assessment of a given stock and reading of the general mrkt and economy. All these are indeed value reporting, however, if one aspires to be a successful player on a sustainable basis in the long run, listening to all these suggestions will lead you to mediocre performance at best, worst scenario, disaster. Why? The mrkt trades 6-9 mths ahead of the economic condition therefore, the price of a stock may not reflex its realities down the road. Example- how often you see a stock which you think is fundamentally sound went against u and mths later you found that negative news emerged and vice versa. In short, analysts hve better info than u at least, their understanding of an impt stock especially a blue chip is much superior than men on the street ie retail players. The playing field is not even, let face it. The big boys hve access to top mgt of blue chip firms than ordinary people like us do not.
So how to we counter it. As retail players, we hve one major advantage, we can choose to define our playing field whereby big boys couldn't. Both 2ppaamm and chenonceau had outlined this fact in their postings. We can select a counter that's not on the radar screen of instituitions, of course a counter that demonstrates phenomental growth in terms of both revenue and profits. Examples counters in the past namely, HTL Int'l, Omni ind, venture, Hyflux, Ges, Sincere Watch, Rotary just to name some. All these counters had on certain yrs outperformed the best of the best blue chips listed on SGX. When we are really educated in this area, we know which stock to pick and just sit tight.
I hve learnt in my journey to listen to wise advices and also to discard away noises and i am still learning. That's just too much to learn. Thinking that yr position is fundamentally sound when the technical and price actions show otherwise is like one who sticks to his opinion thinking his is still the most superior.
All in all, we need to operate in wisdom to be successful whether as parents or our chosen field.
(1) We should not quibble about GEP's privileges.
(2) We should extend small classes to mainstream (... and give mainstream teachers better quality written resources)
(3) We should do something to ensure that the Us VS Them attitude doesn't get worse
(4) We should NOT do away with the GEP.
I am not sure I appreciate being cited to support views I don't subscribe to. Though... I really dunno what views you have because I haven't been following this thread properly. I read a few good posts (that Pam wrote) and some vitriol by some others, but I dun think I came across your posts when I pop in here twice a day for a short time. I also have trouble understanding your this post. Very cheem.
But man! I feel so lucky I logged on here just in time to ogle Nebbermind.
About Mainstreamers Now
I seriously think mainstreamers are deprived of basic good teaching.... at least in my son's school. I've been making a helluva lotta noise in other threads about the sufficiency of mainstream teaching and it ALSO HURTS when GEP parents go there to suan me because they dun understand that when I say basic teaching is lacking... it is REALLY lacking in some schools. We need smaller classes. We need better teaching materials and more of it.
I dun want an enriched curriculum that I have to use MY OWN GEP trained teaching skills to teach my son... and see him climb up from 28th position to 8th and then to 2nd. I dun wanna have to make my own language recordings blah blah blah...
And yes... it does hurt when some (largely absent from this thread) GEP or HAT parents from GEP schools come and tell me that I complain too much or am NOT contented. Keep whatever GEP has. I am happy that at least some people have a good experience. But understand also that there are those like my son, whose Chinese Teacher was so starved of teaching materials she asked the class to contribute their tuition materials for sharing. So yes... like TCK said... extend these basic necessities to mainstream too (25 per class and good materials to read and teach with).
I taught my son from GEP notes friends gave me. Without those notes, my son would probably still be bottom of the class because I won't allow tuition.
Also, there might be lots of PM to ask for it from parents here. Keke
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Wait, wait. I find something rather ironical here. Chen has to borrow notes from the GEPpers because the notes from her DS's school is not good enough, presumably to pass PSLE? And the GEPpers are saying they are not prepared for PSLE?
Sorry to be provocative, but this just doesn't tally. Surely if the GEPpers are not prepared for PSLE, their notes will be of no use? I'm confused. :?
So Chen, were the GEP notes good to help your kid through mainstream and PSLE? -
2ppaamm:
Good question!!
So Chen, were the GEP notes good to help your kid through mainstream and PSLE?
*this is meant to be a commercial break to advertise ksi makeover services* -
Nebbermind:
Seriously, The mood has changed here thanks to you .
Good question!!2ppaamm:
So Chen, were the GEP notes good to help your kid through mainstream and PSLE?
*this is meant to be a commercial break to advertised ksi makeover services*
i have been :rotflmao: :rotflmao: till some people think I am :siao: -
Mychildren:
Chen, with those written in blue (last paragraph), Jeremy will start to sell GEP notes instead of Top school papers liao....
Woah! Why am I quoted? I hardly posted here! I know too little about today's GEP to make intelligent comment. The ONLY points I wrote in here were...Chenonceau:
[quote=\"Edureach\"]Let me illustrate why there are some hidden values from the postings of 2ppaam, chenonceau and some others in this thread. I shall attempt to answer it from another perspective, stock investment and trading. These contributors hve mentioned ideas such as understand yourself, positioning, selection of battle ground, opportunities, training, preserverance, psychology, aptitude/attitude and accountability for one's decisions.
At this juncture, let me quote the following famed investors and trader in our modern era.
John Templeton: The price appreciation of a stock depends on the uptrend of its earning per share
Warren Buffet: In the shorterm, the price of a stock is determined by popular votes whereas in the longterm, its being determined by its intrisnic/franchise value.
Jessie Levimorre: Throughout my learning journey, its is the sitting that i found most difficult to master.
All of us will observe that when we turn on to cna, bloomsberg cnbc, mainstreamtream medias, we will come across analysts giving their assessment of a given stock and reading of the general mrkt and economy. All these are indeed value reporting, however, if one aspires to be a successful player on a sustainable basis in the long run, listening to all these suggestions will lead you to mediocre performance at best, worst scenario, disaster. Why? The mrkt trades 6-9 mths ahead of the economic condition therefore, the price of a stock may not reflex its realities down the road. Example- how often you see a stock which you think is fundamentally sound went against u and mths later you found that negative news emerged and vice versa. In short, analysts hve better info than u at least, their understanding of an impt stock especially a blue chip is much superior than men on the street ie retail players. The playing field is not even, let face it. The big boys hve access to top mgt of blue chip firms than ordinary people like us do not.
So how to we counter it. As retail players, we hve one major advantage, we can choose to define our playing field whereby big boys couldn't. Both 2ppaamm and chenonceau had outlined this fact in their postings. We can select a counter that's not on the radar screen of instituitions, of course a counter that demonstrates phenomental growth in terms of both revenue and profits. Examples counters in the past namely, HTL Int'l, Omni ind, venture, Hyflux, Ges, Sincere Watch, Rotary just to name some. All these counters had on certain yrs outperformed the best of the best blue chips listed on SGX. When we are really educated in this area, we know which stock to pick and just sit tight.
I hve learnt in my journey to listen to wise advices and also to discard away noises and i am still learning. That's just too much to learn. Thinking that yr position is fundamentally sound when the technical and price actions show otherwise is like one who sticks to his opinion thinking his is still the most superior.
All in all, we need to operate in wisdom to be successful whether as parents or our chosen field.
(1) We should not quibble about GEP's privileges.
(2) We should extend small classes to mainstream (... and give mainstream teachers better quality written resources)
(3) We should do something to ensure that the Us VS Them attitude doesn't get worse
(4) We should NOT do away with the GEP.
I am not sure I appreciate being cited to support views I don't subscribe to. Though... I really dunno what views you have because I haven't been following this thread properly. I read a few good posts (that Pam wrote) and some vitriol by some others, but I dun think I came across your posts when I pop in here twice a day for a short time. I also have trouble understanding your this post. Very cheem.
But man! I feel so lucky I logged on here just in time to ogle Nebbermind.
About Mainstreamers Now
I seriously think mainstreamers are deprived of basic good teaching.... at least in my son's school. I've been making a helluva lotta noise in other threads about the sufficiency of mainstream teaching and it ALSO HURTS when GEP parents go there to suan me because they dun understand that when I say basic teaching is lacking... it is REALLY lacking in some schools. We need smaller classes. We need better teaching materials and more of it.
I dun want an enriched curriculum that I have to use MY OWN GEP trained teaching skills to teach my son... and see him climb up from 28th position to 8th and then to 2nd. I dun wanna have to make my own language recordings blah blah blah...
And yes... it does hurt when some (largely absent from this thread) GEP or HAT parents from GEP schools come and tell me that I complain too much or am NOT contented. Keep whatever GEP has. I am happy that at least some people have a good experience. But understand also that there are those like my son, whose Chinese Teacher was so starved of teaching materials she asked the class to contribute their tuition materials for sharing. So yes... like TCK said... extend these basic necessities to mainstream too (25 per class and good materials to read and teach with).
I taught my son from GEP notes friends gave me. Without those notes, my son would probably still be bottom of the class because I won't allow tuition.
Also, there might be lots of PM to ask for it from parents here. Keke [/quote]
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Nebbermind:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: how do you know?!
Now, talking about avatar....Sun_2010:
Look at it this way, its a friend in disguise...
Like in a new avatar with a new name , thats all :evil:
Aunties, pls stop staring!!! :oops: -
tck:
:goodpost: :goodpost:To those who bothered to read my piece, thank you. To those who expressed appreciation, you all have done your part too in this long thread. It takes a LOT to make someone like me bother to post my opinion, but the discussion on this thread was just going round and round like a dog chasing its tail.
For discussion to be fruitful and constructive, everyone should try to keep an open mind. As someone else said, there have been good stuff that came out of this thread, from both camps. No one is right all the time.
Everyone deserves a hearing (or reading in this case). When we discover that the 'opposing' camp actually wrote something that is sensible BUT which we can't counter, don't take the cowardly route by saying Oh he's just a kid, or oh she's beneath me, I won't bother to respond. That's like shutting our ears (or eyes in this case) and going lalalalallalalalala just cos someone writes something we don't agree with.
If we can't counter it, just take a step back and admit that we might be wrong. If our ego doesn't allow us to do that, then better to not say anything than to save face by posting a snide remark masked as a jokey post. A thousand cute emoticons can't hide the intention of the writer from a discerning (discerning doesn't mean sensitive) reader. -
Pam… they were useful.
There were lotsa Math practices. The CL Oral notes were lagi useful since DS’ school gave nothing except 6 pictures. There were lotsa Science mocks too. Quite a bit MORE than what DS got from his school. The Science notes were not useful and there wasn’t much. Probably because Science is taught through experiments and other hands-on activities. BUT I loved the MARKED Science exam practices. We analyzed the mistakes my friend’s son made and were able to figure out HOW to answer and WHAT words to avoid… blah blah…
DS’ school does not give this sort of targeted feedback. Maybe because Teacher has no time to mark 40 scripts X a few classes. I dunno. Bear in mind also that each Teacher teaches at least 2 subjects in DS’ school.
The notes given to me are not for sale nor to be given away. I must destroy them to ensure that no commercial vendor sells them. I made a promise to my friends that must be kept. I think it is silly that schools keep these materials to themselves instead of making them available and accessible to every child who can use them… BUT, there you have it.
A promise is a promise. I will destroy them when I am done. I cannot sell them to anyone nor give them away.
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