Is GEP really necessary?

[2ppaamm]

Dnls_mum:

2ppaamm:

This is like a chicken and egg situation. Why take in so many foreigners when the infrastructure is not even enough for our own? FT worries me a lot, and I see it here. I am an FT here, we top the schools, we go into better courses in the uni, get better jobs, and the locals are jealous, we get the same advantages, we own their lands, we lead their people, we get the scholarships. One day, I shudder to think, Singaporeans in our own lands will be like this.

Haha...so people take from your country, and you go take from other people country lor...hehehe. Same everywhere la! Maybe got a KSP forum in your adopted country now discussing this every same topic too :rotflmao:

hehe... exactly... why not? But them coming into Singapore does not hurt me one bit leh... at least not at the point I left, except that I cannot speak my Singlish and got called \"mum\" when I am not their mother.

The problem is, every first world country is short of people, every one is trying to attract people to their shores. In the event, we focus so much on attracting foreign talents, we forget to look after or groom our own. It is happening everywhere.. but, as a well-paid government, I thought we should expect more... apparently not. Nvm. I just use my credentials to the max lor... like the FTs who go to Singapore.

So roughly know their mentality... not what the government think hor... they not FT right? Only FTs know what FTs think... :evil:

[Dnls_mum]

buds:

Dnls_mum.. your posts rockz! :boogie: I loike! :please:


Did your DS eventually get to ...
1.....do the SS topic he wanted?
2.....not do it cos teacher didn't agree to?
3.....to do it and score? :evil:
4.....do another cos he can get distinction for it?

Ps how come ds is horrendous in Chinese when you n hubby are good?
It's my assumption since both of you come from schs with rich heritage as well as himself.

We let DS do the one he chose. Didn't ask him to change. No distinction, just got merit.

DH Chinese good, mine so so. I was the worst among my friends in Hwa Chong :rotflmao:

DH and I communicate in English with some Chinese. I think we are all so comfortable with English after joining the work force, especially since we both work for ang moh companies. We made the mistake of speaking to our kids in English since they were young. When DH subsequently tried to speak to them in Mandarin, they all ignore him! :rotflmao: The ultimate is when my daughter came home from kindergarten one day and say that she is English and not Chinese since she speaks English not Chinese!!

So now stuck with kentang kids lor. Maybe also because my parents help us with our kids and they don't speak Mandarin, just English and dialect. :skeptical:

[2ppaamm]

Realized it is a load of bad English. so delete this.

[Dnls_mum]

tck:

Focusing on small class sizes and low student-teacher ratio, the teaching sector (primary and secondary) is one where I would definitely welcome FT. What does everyone think? Of course must be quality teachers lah. Since we need many more teachers to achieve small class sizes, and given Singapore's \"limited talent pool\" (a phrase so often used by the powers that be), why not hire from the global pool? We haven't been shy about hiring FT in almost every sector of the economy.


But I think one reason this won't happen is the fear that these global teachers might bring their liberal thinking and influence our young ones

Actually I had Brits for teachers when I was in JC. And I agree that they have influenced my thinking. My mentality is a little different...hmmmmm more anti establishment?.... :nailbite: I wonder if there are still Brit teachers around??? Actually true that cannot have all like them :rotflmao:

[2ppaamm]

Dnls_mum:

So now stuck with kentang kids lor. Maybe also because my parents help us with our kids and they don't speak Mandarin, just English and dialect. :skeptical:

:rotflmao: mine also kentang, with kentang thinking and kentang accent. Whenever they go back, they have to learn their Singlish to communicate and then switch back.

[3Boys]

Why the distraction around the casinos? A point was made about spending more on education and basically I think we want to take a long hard look before we leap down that path.


Some folk are really masters at morphing and distracting a discussion when an uncomfortable point is made.

[3Boys]

It’s easy to speak in grand terms and assume the moral high ground when expounding aspirations about leveling up, and prescribing high minded conceptual ideas. Very nice, I also know how to do.


But how about looking at it holistically and making the trade-offs. Education is not in and of itself, it is part of the society in which it belongs, catering to it and sharing it’s constraints. Is Finland all that it’s cut out to be? I have spoken with someone consulting for the Finnish Employment and economic development office, and there are some real structural issues in the Finnish economy that is going to hurt them in the near and mid term. Will their new fangled education system be a way to solve that or be sustainable in the future? Only time will tell, but let’s not just suddenly make this leap of faith without understanding impact, both upside and downside.

[HVR]

May I ask among us who want to be construction workers, restaurants waiters, coffee shop assistants, bus drivers, cleaners, etc? So no choice we employ foreign workers and it’s wrong? Just because outside their work hours, they somehow ‘tax’ our public transport system, our amenities when they go about their life?


What is fair? The good schools must become bad schools and the rich must become poor? So we might as well have a giant rotation kind of scheme to rotate everything so everything and everyone is fair.

The bottomline is we cannot ensure equal distribution but equal opportunity. Having said that, if you bother, you would know they are many schemes in place to ‘redistrubute’ wealth to the less privileged. Tax system is one. Utility rebate is another. Just to name a few.

I am from very poor background and now I think I am at least above average class and I didn’t go through any good schools, good uni so I kind of resent it when people say the poor here doesnt stand a chance.

[2ppaamm]

3Boys:

Why the distraction around the casinos? A point was made about spending more on education and basically I think we want to take a long hard look before we leap down that path.


Some folk are really masters at morphing and distracting a discussion when an uncomfortable point is made.

Okok, let me explain.

In 2005, when the government decided to legalize the gambling industry, the higher institutes were asked to start preparing the workforce for the industry. New courses were devised, new buildings and new people brought in. Of course we cannot call the course \"gambling\" course lah, just like we cannot call the casino \"gambling dens\". We then gave them nice names.

So yes, there was money that was sunk into education, but it was always to prepare the workforce according the the government's projection. That's why, our economy will never (touch wood) suffer low employment by DESIGN and through planning. There are pros and cons to this. Pros is that the employment rate is ensured low and all those economic data look good. Cons is that a child is not developed for him to reach his potential, but his contribution to the country. Which again, may not be a con, if you think about it, as long as you have children who are happy earning a big fat salary and chasing the 5 (or however many) C's. But the problem is our youngs are no longer like us, they are exposed to too much western influence, media da-da-da... therefore, we'll watch and see lor...

Get how the casino come in now? Just like how you brought up defense.

[limlim]

HVR:

May I ask among us who want to be construction workers, restaurants waiters, coffee shop assistants, bus drivers, cleaners, etc? So no choice we employ foreign workers and it's wrong? Just because outside their work hours, they somehow 'tax' our public transport system, our amenities when they go about their life?

Do not confuse FW with FT.

The complain is mostly about FTs, PMETs, jobs that Singaporeans WANT but suffers wage suppression and competition due to influx of PMETs.

FW have always been around.. doesn't see much complains in the past.

But recently, there is flooding of FTs..