PM Asks "What kind of people do we want to be?"

[mum_sugoku]

verykiasu2010:

mum_sugoku:

Haha it has always been \"our\" (the people's) fault: If we become resentful of foreigners/new immigrants, it's because we are \"xenophobic\".. And if Singapore becomes too crowded as a result of having too many foreigners/new immigrants, it's our fault because we don't produce enough babies.. If Singapore becomes less competitive, it's still our fault because we are not hard driving/hard striving enough.. alas.

because nobody owes you a living

In that case, what are we electing them--and then pay them millions dollars of salaries for? :scratchhead:

(To me it's just like when you express your unhappiness over your employee's performance, you get that \"nobody-owes-you-a-living\" reply :yikes: )

[verykiasu2010]

mum_sugoku:

verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"mum_sugoku\"]Haha it has always been \"our\" (the people's) fault: If we become resentful of foreigners/new immigrants, it's because we are \"xenophobic\".. And if Singapore becomes too crowded as a result of having too many foreigners/new immigrants, it's our fault because we don't produce enough babies.. If Singapore becomes less competitive, it's still our fault because we are not hard driving/hard striving enough.. alas.

because nobody owes you a living

In that case, what are we electing them--and then pay them millions dollars of salaries for? :scratchhead:

(To me it's just like when you express your unhappiness over your employee's performance, you get that \"nobody-owes-you-a-living\" reply :yikes: )[/quote]we hate nanny state and yet we expect them to do everything ?

[Melodies]

Am I in the coconut land :yikes: :faint:

Daddy

verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"Daddy D\"]I just saw the picture on straits times, page A7... On people watching NDP this year @ Esplanade waterfront...

Majority not locals... :yikes: :yikes:

How to have a big heart?

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Thanks for posting...
Dunno want to cry or laugh... :faint:
Imagine being the odd one out when singing anthem/reciting pledge in that crowd :yikes:[/quote]

[mum_sugoku]

verykiasu2010:

we hate nanny state and yet we expect them to do everything ?

What is considered \"nannying\", and what is not \"nannying\" but rather, something which they are expected to do as the elected govt?

Not so sure about you but to me, looking after the welfare of the citizens, be it deemed as \"nannying\" or not, is part of their job.. and it is what the voters elect and (taxpayers) pay them for.

[WeiHan]

Can somebody clarify?


How does taking in mostly adult immigrants today help to solve the lack of working adults in the future (due to low birth rate today)? Wouldn't it just worsen the greying population problem in the future?

As for sidelining of SCs in certain industries, many stories have been told in this website.

http://www.transitioning.org/

I am not saying that I believe all the stories in there. Some seem like there are issues behind the stories, some even sound like whining but many look like real, sincere accounts of their experience.

Singaporeans aren't xenophobic. I think the accusation is off the mark. I think is more like the government is making the first move to accuse for the bad planning that they have caused.

[verykiasu2010]

WeiHan:

Can somebody clarify?


How does taking in mostly adult immigrants today help to solve the lack of working adults in the future (due to low birth rate today)? Wouldn't it just worsen the greying population problem in the future?

As for sidelining of SCs in certain industries, many stories have been told in this website.

http://www.transitioning.org/

Singaporeans aren't xenophobic. I think the accusation is off the mark. I think is more like the government is making the first move to accuse for the bad planning that they have caused.

that is to solve the immediaate lack of working adults today for a start (and they don't need to be citizens), the economy has grown over the last 30 years but number of citizens working adults have not grown proportionately

stop taking in adult immigrants now plus yet to increase birth rate will accelerate the greying population and the economic burden on the then working adults will multiply. even national defence will suffer

the children of today will be burden with more than their fair share of social / economic burden

[Imami]

Dora1:

3 boys


We are not asking for special treatment. We are asking for EQUAL treatment on our own soils, I don't think we are asking for too much. Big Heart in the face of adversity, graciousness, blah blah blah.... I am sorry, but I think Singaporeans already have a very big heart in the sense that we still treat the foreigners with respect face to face after all unequal treatment that we get from them. At least we don't hurl abuse in their face like what a lot of other countries do to their immigrants. And their citizens actually don't even face the unequal workplace treatment that we are facing. So I think its very unfair to say that we don't have a big heart and Singaporeans are xenophobic. I think we are already very tolerant. And the fact is, Foreigners are given equal opportunities in Singapore by the Singaporeans, but Singaporeans are not given equal opportunities by the Foreigners here.
The government can choose to continue denying that there is a problem, and all the anti-foreigners sentiments are because Singaporeans are not big-hearted enough.
I am sorry, but I think Singaporeans are already very big hearted for not displaying our dissatisfaction publicly like many other countries. The anoymous display of dissatisfaction in the cyber world is here to stay no matter how much propanganda there is to tell us we need foreigners because of our low birth rate, we should be big hearted, blah blah....
Subconsciously we all understand that. But if day in and out we suffer the injustice, where else do you expect the people to vent their frustrations? Are you saying we are supposed to have a big heart to a robber who we invited in as a guest, but ended up robbing us and chased us out of our own house? We still can be friends with the robber??
Can you seriously do that?
And like I said, the public sentiments is already boiling, and if no concrete actions are taken, it will just take some incident to catalyse the spread of the sentiments from the cyberworld to the real world. This is something that I don't wish to see.
Denying the real feelings of people is not the solution. Preaching and telling the people to have a big heart without recognizing and addressing the real problem is like pouring fuel on fire on people's feelings.

How did we end up being like that? For the record, I don't believe in posting nasty anti-foreigners remarks online which are unsubstantiated. However, I can fully understand why some people do it, having been through it (and going through it everyday now).

Hi dora1, I just thought you need a hug :snuggles: not that it helps la...

[Imami]

pirate:

Dora1:

Winchester


I am not in IT/banking. There are other industries around that also suffer the same fate.

Stop dancing around the bushes. At least have the courage to stand up for you believe to be right. What kind of society will we become if people are not prepared to stand up for what they think is right? We become a society of whiners, that's what we become. Content to just gripe anonymously at the coffeeshops, internet etc, but not much else. Just watch the children at the playground. Nobody wants to play with whiners.

You can start by at least stating clearly which industry(ies) you are referring to. What are you afraid of?

PS. Yah. I am not a \"local\" graduate. I don't take things like that lying down. Nobody is going to \"squeeze\" me out of my job, because I will not just go out quietly into the night. :nunchuk:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: I am sorry but I suddenly think of Bollywood movies!

[verykiasu2010]

Imami:

pirate:

[quote=\"Dora1\"]Winchester


I am not in IT/banking. There are other industries around that also suffer the same fate.

Stop dancing around the bushes. At least have the courage to stand up for you believe to be right. What kind of society will we become if people are not prepared to stand up for what they think is right? We become a society of whiners, that's what we become. Content to just gripe anonymously at the coffeeshops, internet etc, but not much else. Just watch the children at the playground. Nobody wants to play with whiners.

You can start by at least stating clearly which industry(ies) you are referring to. What are you afraid of?

PS. Yah. I am not a \"local\" graduate. I don't take things like that lying down. Nobody is going to \"squeeze\" me out of my job, because I will not just go out quietly into the night. :nunchuk:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: I am sorry but I suddenly think of Bollywood movies![/quote]bullywood is dancing round the kokonut trees

[Imami]

pirate:

Dora1:

Winchester


I am not in IT/banking. There are other industries around that also suffer the same fate.

Stop dancing around the bushes. At least have the courage to stand up for you believe to be right. What kind of society will we become if people are not prepared to stand up for what they think is right? We become a society of whiners, that's what we become. Content to just gripe anonymously at the coffeeshops, internet etc, but not much else. Just watch the children at the playground. Nobody wants to play with whiners.

You can start by at least stating clearly which industry(ies) you are referring to. What are you afraid of?

PS. Yah. I am not a \"local\" graduate. I don't take things like that lying down. Nobody is going to \"squeeze\" me out of my job, because I will not just go out quietly into the night. :nunchuk:

Haiyo, pirate, why you so fierce? Maybe dora1 is not trying to be anonymous, perhaps she just doesn't think of saying it.

But I like your \"Yah. I am not a \"local\" graduate. I don't take things like that lying down. Nobody is going to \"squeeze\" me out of my job\"

nice. 有性格