Why screen kids in P1?
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Just checking, what happened in other schools after these tests?
I know my son’s school had such a test in P1 term1 or 2 . But after the test ,there was NO shuffling of classes. Every child remained in the same class. That doesn’t seem like streaming to me. -
chamonix:
Same here...she only spoke about it because of the poo... She hardly poo-ed in school so that was special. :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:ksi:
Maybe I am not a sophisticated parent. I was more concerned when she told me she had to poo in the middle of the surprised test. So I asked if she poo-ed or continued. When she said poo, I was so relieved and end of story, never spoken about the tests with her again.
Funny right but that was all I cared! Hahaha
To begin with, my daughter didn't even tell me there was such a test.
But it's strange, it seems my two kids are exposed to different ways of testing. When my son was still in K2, he did a math test which comprises of more than 10 pages and had questions on fractions. The lady administering the test was somebody he has never seen in school too. :scratchhead: -
Chenonceau:
Phew...what a relief that she is not full of sh** :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Still, I think the test was non consequential. It has no impact on her at all. She was never streamed nor given any special treatment by the school before..... no remedials and no supplements were ever offered to her.... when we heard others having it in the same school at all the various levels.... I was :? but it did not bother me at all because more time for herself was much appreciated.ksi:
Maybe I am not a sophisticated parent. I was more concerned when she told me she had to poo in the middle of the surprised test. So I asked if she poo-ed or continued. When she said poo, I was so relieved and end of story, never spoken about the tests with her again.
Funny right but that was all I cared! Hahaha
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Pooping is really important ok! Else she might end up like too many adults - \"full of ummm... sh**\". :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Oh boy... I misbehave. Please delete if too vulgar. I won't at all mind. -
Sun_2010:
My dd1 remains in her class too.Just checking, what happened in other schools after these tests?
I know my son's school had such a test in P1 term1 or 2 . But after the test ,there was NO shuffling of classes. Every child remained in the same class. That doesn't seem like streaming to me.
Only MOE has the answer. -
SAHM_TAN:
Confusing isn't it... since MOE itself declared that it intended to screen the students for intervention? See below.
My dd1 remains in her class too.Sun_2010:
Just checking, what happened in other schools after these tests?
I know my son's school had such a test in P1 term1 or 2 . But after the test ,there was NO shuffling of classes. Every child remained in the same class. That doesn't seem like streaming to me.
Only MOE has the answer.alng:
From ST Forum on 7 Sep 2012. My P1 ds also confirmed that he has done this IQ test recently.
On Aug 22, MOE replied. It said the \"screening exercise\" is used to \"identify pupils who require additional help early\" and to \"obtain a more holistic picture of the pupils' needs\". It would be following up with parents to explain the findings and discuss intervention programmes.
I wrote back the same day asking for a clearer response and have not got a reply to date.
MOE should let parents know when or why \"screening\" is done on our children.
Parents have a right to consent to an IQ test and know how the results are being used. In the light of the new approach to education with more focus on learning through play in the early years, are we still sticking to the conventional idea of what makes a kid smart?
Is it even necessary to screen children at Primary 1 when reasoning and cognitive skills are just emerging?
David Chin -
Chenonceau:
Confusing isn't it... since MOE itself declared that it intended to screen the students for intervention? See below.
My dd1 remains in her class too.SAHM_TAN:
[quote=\"Sun_2010\"]Just checking, what happened in other schools after these tests?
I know my son's school had such a test in P1 term1 or 2 . But after the test ,there was NO shuffling of classes. Every child remained in the same class. That doesn't seem like streaming to me.
Only MOE has the answer.alng:
[/quote]Why confusing? The way I read it no news is good news right? :scratchhead: You mean you prefer intervention?From ST Forum on 7 Sep 2012. My P1 ds also confirmed that he has done this IQ test recently.
On Aug 22, MOE replied. It said the \"screening exercise\" is used to \"identify pupils who require additional help early\" and to \"obtain a more holistic picture of the pupils' needs\". It would be following up with parents to explain the findings and discuss intervention programmes.
I wrote back the same day asking for a clearer response and have not got a reply to date.
MOE should let parents know when or why \"screening\" is done on our children.
Parents have a right to consent to an IQ test and know how the results are being used. In the light of the new approach to education with more focus on learning through play in the early years, are we still sticking to the conventional idea of what makes a kid smart?
Is it even necessary to screen children at Primary 1 when reasoning and cognitive skills are just emerging?
David Chin -
ksi:
No... did I say I prefer intervention? I mean why would MOE say it intends to intervene when in parents' experience, there is no intention to? So either parents have perceived wrongly, and MOE is right ... OR MOE is collecting data just to waste students' time.
Why confusing? The way I read it no news is good news right? :scratchhead: You mean you prefer intervention?
Which is more plausible?alng:
From ST Forum on 7 Sep 2012. My P1 ds also confirmed that he has done this IQ test recently.
On Aug 22, MOE replied. It said the \"screening exercise\" is used to \"identify pupils who require additional help early\" and to \"obtain a more holistic picture of the pupils' needs\". It would be following up with parents to explain the findings and discuss intervention programmes.
David Chin
Next... if there is really NO intervention intended, what is the data for? Research? If this is so, there is a clear violation of research ethics. Perhaps not in Singapore because we don't have a mature legislation. In USA and Australia, there are laws to govern the collection of data for research.
It still goes back to me wanting to know WHY you are measuring my child's IQ. I have a right to know. This is psychological data... no different from taking blood or collecting stem cells... the subject you take the data from has a right to know what you are doing with the data he gave you.
Did any parent give informed consent for IQ data to be collected from the child? Gee... schools make parents sign informed consent for all sorts of unimportant things, but didn't seek consent to measure IQ? -
Chenonceau:
Chen, I hope MOE is reading this thread.Next... if there is really NO intervention, what is the data for? Research? If this is so, there is a clear violation of research ethics. Perhaps not in Singapore because we don't have a mature legislation. In USA and Australia, there are laws to govern the collection of data for research.
It still goes back to me wanting to know WHY you are measuring my child's IQ. I have a right to know. This is psychological data... no different from taking blood or collecting stem cells... the subject you take the data from has a right to know what you are doing with the data he gave you.
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Chenonceau:
Confusing isn't it... since MOE itself declared that it intended to screen the students for intervention?
My dd1 remains in her class too.SAHM_TAN:
[quote=\"Sun_2010\"]Just checking, what happened in other schools after these tests?
I know my son's school had such a test in P1 term1 or 2 . But after the test ,there was NO shuffling of classes. Every child remained in the same class. That doesn't seem like streaming to me.
Only MOE has the answer.
[/quote]The above means you are expecting intervention right? If they collect the info and only after that then they know need intervention or not right? So if they find that there is no need for intervention, then no action lor... logical? :scratchhead: -
I am only raising questions. There could be a perfectly good explanation for all this.
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