Why screen kids in P1?
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verykiasumummy:
It is especially the borderline cases that such tests will not be able to do the job. A borderline kid's inability to perform in school may not have anything to do with their IQ, could be environmental factors, could be that on the day that the test was done the kid was not well, could be a whole host of issues.teachers may not be skilled enough to identify all of them, especially those borderline cases... a test like raven does the job...
but i still agree that parents should be informed.. afterall they are all our kids, not the teachers'... -
Funz:
totally agree with u... i heard that borderline kids that are suspected will go for another round and under extra observation by the teacher i/c...
It is especially the borderline cases that such tests will not be able to do the job. A borderline kid's inability to perform in school may not have anything to do with their IQ, could be environmental factors, could be that on the day that the test was done the kid was not well, could be a whole host of issues.verykiasumummy:
teachers may not be skilled enough to identify all of them, especially those borderline cases... a test like raven does the job...
but i still agree that parents should be informed.. afterall they are all our kids, not the teachers'...
regardless of what methods and formula, there is no one test that tells it all... they are different beings in the first place... -
I remembered there is 1 report (something like individual details report) to capture student particular such as age, birth cert no, home address, parents name and contacts and also GEP indicator. I received it every year since pri 1 from my dd's school for my confirmation of all particulars. Once confirmed, I will sign and then return back. I have been wondering what is that GEP indicator since pri 1 and now I'm able to relate this to screening now! Yes, there is an indication in that report and I can't help to think that every teacher can access the information.
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Do you have the similar particular report for your dc? have u noticed? -
verykiasumummy:
My two kids are from neighbourhood school. IMHO, it is necessary to identify weaker students and I support MOE for doing so. Why? Becos in neighbourhood schools, students come from all sorts of background compared to some schools in or near higher income estates.as the usual saying, early detection is better than cure... i also feel that if the primary motive was to detect weaker students, there is nothing to complain about... schools may not want parents to worry unduly over the test or worse, made advance preparation to their children to acheive better results that may not be true..
parents should be informed just before or just after the test to show respect that the school has done such things to their children, but not totally unsaid... i'm not sure of the article if the Mr Whoever is upset that he wasnt informed in time or the school has no intention of informing at all..
Once, my DD's teacher told me that in her previous school where it is in a better off area, the quality of students are very different from the neighbourhood school. I think the reasons are clear.
In fact, I was quite concerned that by lumping all the children together, irrespective of their intellectual ability, it does neither good to both acadmically better students and academically weak students.
The teachers would have a hard time accomodating both sets of students - to go faster or slower! If the students' academic ability are identified and grouping them separately, the school or the teachers can tailored the pace of teaching to suit them best.
In fact, I have written to MOE on this concern. Seriously, I don't see anything wrong with what MOE has done. I don't think they are trying to test the children's IQ or whatever, especially since they already has the GEP screening when the children reached P3. -
kwcllf:
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My two kids are from neighbourhood school. IMHO, it is necessary to identify weaker students and I support MOE for doing so. Why? Becos in neighbourhood schools, students come from all sorts of background compared to some schools in or near higher income estates.
Once, my DD's teacher told me that in her previous school where it is in a better off area, the quality of students are very different from the neighbourhood school. I think the reasons are clear.
In fact, I was quite concerned that by lumping all the children together, irrespective of their intellectual ability, it does neither good to both acadmically better students and academically weak students.
The teachers would have a hard time accomodating both sets of students - to go faster or slower! If the students' academic ability are identified and grouping them separately, the school or the teachers can tailored the pace of teaching to suit them best.
In fact, I have written to MOE on this concern. Seriously, I don't see anything wrong with what MOE has done. I don't think they are trying to test the children's IQ or whatever, especially since they already has the GEP screening when the children reached P3.
kwclf,
Yes, my kids also from neighbourhood school, I saw some of the kids reaching school earlier for some kind of programme because they are weak in certain subjects. The school is doing something to help these kids so that they'll be able to catch up with the rest. From one of the kid I know, he don't have any tuition at all & his mum cannot teach him while his dad needs to work. -
Nebbermind:
Thanks for your consideration, Nebbermind!
me thinking same thing :hi5: but couldn't bring myself to probe!!jtoh:
Why would the doctor suggest sending your son for an IQ test? In my books, IQ tests are only necessary if you suspect that your child has some form of learning disability or exhibits unusually high giftedness which you might need early intervention for. Otherwise, to test just to determine if your child has a high IQ is an exercise in vanity.
My boy has speech delay and is only now speaking more. Whatever it is, I don't see the need to do the IQ test now. He may fail in which case I think it will be unfair to him. Or he may pass and then why bother to do in the first place? Don't think it will turn out to be a gifted result. Certainly not testing for vanity purposes. I think my boy is just fine and I love him for who he is. I believe the very area of his weakness (speech) will be his greatest strength in time to come! :love: -
DesertWind:
Thanks for your consideration, Nebbermind!
me thinking same thing :hi5: but couldn't bring myself to probe!!Nebbermind:
[quote=\"jtoh\"]
Why would the doctor suggest sending your son for an IQ test? In my books, IQ tests are only necessary if you suspect that your child has some form of learning disability or exhibits unusually high giftedness which you might need early intervention for. Otherwise, to test just to determine if your child has a high IQ is an exercise in vanity.
My boy has speech delay and is only now speaking more. Whatever it is, I don't see the need to do the IQ test now. He may fail in which case I think it will be unfair to him. Or he may pass and then why bother to do in the first place? Don't think it will turn out to be a gifted result. Certainly not testing for vanity purposes. I think my boy is just fine and I love him for who he is. I believe the very area of his weakness (speech) will be his greatest strength in time to come! :love:[/quote] :love: :love: -
DesertWind:
DesertWind,
Thanks for your consideration, Nebbermind!
My boy has speech delay and is only now speaking more. Whatever it is, I don't see the need to do the IQ test now. He may fail in which case I think it will be unfair to him. Or he may pass and then why bother to do in the first place? Don't think it will turn out to be a gifted result. Certainly not testing for vanity purposes. I think my boy is just fine and I love him for who he is. I believe the very area of his weakness (speech) will be his greatest strength in time to come! :love:
I understand your concern now. :snuggles:
Those written in blue, thumbs up :please: -
If there is intent to help weaker kids, there is no need to test everyone. There is already a screening test at the start of the year - a literacy test to assess if the children are familiar with alphabet etc … These are already put to LSP. At mid-year of P1, which is when they administered this IQ test, teachers should already know whom the weaker ones are… they can pull only these weaker ones out for IQ test. The fact that they TEST every body suggests that they are not just looking for weak students.
Ravens is an IQ test. It can be used to finalise a diagnosis but should not be used as first step to diagnosis. Good tests cost money. Free tests are not accurate. To test everyone just to look for weak ones does not make sense. Teachers pull out those they observe to be bottom. Then confirm with IQ test. Makes more sense.
This gives kids who are sick on the day of the test and score badly the benefit of the doubt. If not, teacher look at your score… think you dumb… treat you like dumb. So you really become dumb. Self-fulfilling prophecy mah…
But if Teacher dunno your score but notice you are bottom of class and test you to confirm, then the diagnosis is more accurate because got teacher opinion AND test score. Same like breast cancer test. You notice a lump. Then you test it. If doctor diagnosis matches test diagnosis then you cut the breast. If you test everyone’s breasts, you waste money… and if test result is wrong then bye bye boobies. -
Chenonceau:
Chen,If there is intent to help weaker kids, there is no need to test everyone. There is already a screening test at the start of the year - a literacy test to assess if the children are familiar with alphabet etc ... These are already put to LSP. At mid-year of P1, which is when they administered this IQ test, teachers should already know whom the weaker ones are... they can pull only these weaker ones out for IQ test. The fact that they TEST every body suggests that they are not just looking for weak students.
Ravens is an IQ test. It can be used to finalise a diagnosis but should not be used as first step to diagnosis.
May I know when was it started the Ravens, in which year? Till now, I don't even know whether my kids have taken these. :?
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