MOE to scrap Banding for Secondary Schools

[ruohoo97]

Nebbermind:

ruohoo97:

I doubt that these changes will make a dent in Singapore education system and its already firmly developed kiasuism.

It doesn't really matter as long as some parents see the +ve in this changes.

What is the +ve? :?

[SAHM_TAN]

Nebbermind:

SAHM_TAN:

Ask hor, will COP infor be removed ?

COP and banding is quite different leh.

COP = how popular the school is
Banding = performance of the school.

Although related, but not quite the same.

Yup I know. COP infor still provided?

[Nebbermind]

ruohoo97:

Nebbermind:

[quote=\"ruohoo97\"]I doubt that these changes will make a dent in Singapore education system and its already firmly developed kiasuism.

It doesn't really matter as long as some parents see the +ve in this changes.

What is the +ve? :?[/quote]Some see it as a positive step forward by the MOE mah. No meh?? Thought many parents here said 'AYE'? :scratchhead:

[ruohoo97]

Nebbermind:

It doesn't really matter as long as some parents see the +ve in this changes.

What is the +ve? :?[/quote]

Some see it as a positive step forward by the MOE mah. No meh?? Thought many parents here said 'AYE'? :scratchhead:[/quote]
Aiyo, even for the words, you prefer the less :evil: . \".....The less is for ...more\"

[AceTutors123]

Daddy

MOE can change the system n encourage non-academics achievements...

But can the mindsets of educators and parents be changed to embrace these non-academics areas?
I think it will take a few generations...

Well it seems to me that most top-dollar earning jobs available on the market require great qualifications, unless we're talking about the salespeoples' jobs, like real estate agents. Otherwise entrepreneurship could earn quite a bit, but there are only so many customers to serve in Singapore and the chances of global success are much slimmer than getting a well paying job with a good degree. Could someone list out some top-dollar jobs that do not require great academic results? (This is of course discounting general labels like \"top chef\", \"top sportsman\" etc. The top people in every profession are bound to earn more. I'm talking about the average earnings of the professions.)

[Chenonceau]

I think people think very short term. Everyone panics when a child fails a difficult exam even though we know that in the long term, that one failure means little for future success. The way I see it is that parents kiasuism will reduce purely because of the Domino Effect.


Taking banding does not affect parents directly. Frankly, I didn’t even analyze banding to choose schools but I did analyze COP… and the access to the CCA my DS loves. Then I picked one school for every 10 tranches all the way down to 220. Banding and parents are about as closely related as me and my 2nd cousin in law… BUT related we still are.

Domino 1: Banding falls.

Domino 2: Cut throat competition between schools fall.

Domino 3: Principals stop being kiasu and they stop pressing on teachers to deliver stellar GRADES.

Domino 4: Teachers stop being kiasu and so they stop flogging our kids with failure after failure.

Domino 5: Parents see no red marks on report card… they dun worry so much. They dun panic and start scurrying around for tutors. There are OF COURSE parents who will STILL send for tuition just in case. But there are many parents like me too who didn’t REALLY wake up until DS failed in P5 and then I REALLY started to be kiasu. And since I am a perfectionist. I kiasu is really very kiasu. Perfectly kiasu.

My thoughts. Don’t flame me.

[AceTutors123]

Chenonceau:

I think people think very short term. Everyone panics when a child fails a difficult exam even though we know that in the long term, that one failure means little for future success. The way I see it is that parents kiasuism will reduce purely because of the Domino Effect.


Taking banding does not affect parents directly. Frankly, I didn't even analyze banding to choose schools but I did analyze COP... and the access to the CCA my DS loves. Then I picked one school for every 10 tranches all the way down to 220. Banding and parents are about as closely related as me and my 2nd cousin in law... BUT related we still are.

Domino 1: Banding falls.

Domino 2: Cut throat competition between schools fall.

Domino 3: Principals stop being kiasu and they stop pressing on teachers to deliver stellar GRADES.

Domino 4: Teachers stop being kiasu and so they stop flogging our kids with failure after failure.

Domino 5: Parents see no red marks on report card... they dun worry so much. They dun panic and start scurrying around for tutors. There are OF COURSE parents who will STILL send for tuition just in case. But there are many parents like me too who didn't REALLY wake up until DS failed in P5 and then I REALLY started to be kiasu. And since I am a perfectionist. I kiasu is really very kiasu. Perfectly kiasu.

My thoughts. Don't flame me.

:goodpost: It could very well go in that order Chenonceau. I just wonder, given our Asian roots, how much are we likely to relax on our children's academics, given the crazy influence in India, South Korea and China. These big neighbours could very well \"spoil market\" haha

[Chenonceau]

AceTutors123:

Chenonceau:

I think people think very short term. Everyone panics when a child fails a difficult exam even though we know that in the long term, that one failure means little for future success. The way I see it is that parents kiasuism will reduce purely because of the Domino Effect.


Taking banding does not affect parents directly. Frankly, I didn't even analyze banding to choose schools but I did analyze COP... and the access to the CCA my DS loves. Then I picked one school for every 10 tranches all the way down to 220. Banding and parents are about as closely related as me and my 2nd cousin in law... BUT related we still are.

Domino 1: Banding falls.

Domino 2: Cut throat competition between schools fall.

Domino 3: Principals stop being kiasu and they stop pressing on teachers to deliver stellar GRADES.

Domino 4: Teachers stop being kiasu and so they stop flogging our kids with failure after failure.

Domino 5: Parents see no red marks on report card... they dun worry so much. They dun panic and start scurrying around for tutors. There are OF COURSE parents who will STILL send for tuition just in case. But there are many parents like me too who didn't REALLY wake up until DS failed in P5 and then I REALLY started to be kiasu. And since I am a perfectionist. I kiasu is really very kiasu. Perfectly kiasu.

My thoughts. Don't flame me.

:goodpost: It could very well go in that order Chenonceau. I just wonder, given our Asian roots, how much are we likely to relax on our children's academics, given the crazy influence in India, South Korea and China. These big neighbours could very well \"spoil market\" haha

It's ok. We all know that grades and degrees aren't everything. Read article today that top notch grads in Korea can't find jobs. We need to scale back on the academics and give kids space to develop other dimensions. Most parents are very short term. If the kid isn't failing NOW... few will scramble for tuition to tackle India and China.

For that to happen, MOE needs to panic first and then start pressing on academics. It seems that they dun wanna do that. Academic standards WILL drop but other dimensions that are important for life success will get a chance to develop.

I think. I hope. I pray.

[Laura02]

But the top earners in the professions such as medicine, law, accountancy, teaching etc were not necessarily the top scorers in their schooldays or universities. Yes, they did well enough to get into those courses, but they were not all ‘top scorers’. And many PhD holders (who presumably did very well academically in school) don’t earn as much as leading doctors, lawyers, accountants, (tuition?) teachers, etc. Although in general it is true that higher educational qualifications do lead to better-paying jobs, but it’s a fallacy that the higher your school grades, the better you will do. Someone should do a comparison of earning power in their 40s of kids who scored at the various percentiles in the PSLE and see what the results are.[/quote]


I agree. The top earners in my profession are almost always not the top students of their year. While I was in uni, the medical students used to joke that the students who had to repeat the yearly exams were the ones who came in with 4As at the A Levels.

I thought I read in the papers that Dr. W. Wu once spent more time at the billiard table than studying, in his youth.

The top earner fr my JC class is now head honcho at one of the financial companies. He is smart, but he spent more time at his CCA and just did enough to get into his choice of Uni course. He was always sitting at the tables in the canteen, talking, with a textbook open in front of him …

[Laura02]

Chenonceau:

I think people think very short term. Everyone panics when a child fails a difficult exam even though we know that in the long term, that one failure means little for future success. The way I see it is that parents kiasuism will reduce purely because of the Domino Effect.


Taking banding does not affect parents directly. Frankly, I didn't even analyze banding to choose schools but I did analyze COP... and the access to the CCA my DS loves. Then I picked one school for every 10 tranches all the way down to 220. Banding and parents are about as closely related as me and my 2nd cousin in law... BUT related we still are.

Domino 1: Banding falls.

Domino 2: Cut throat competition between schools fall.

Domino 3: Principals stop being kiasu and they stop pressing on teachers to deliver stellar GRADES.

Domino 4: Teachers stop being kiasu and so they stop flogging our kids with failure after failure.

Domino 5: Parents see no red marks on report card... they dun worry so much. They dun panic and start scurrying around for tutors. There are OF COURSE parents who will STILL send for tuition just in case. But there are many parents like me too who didn't REALLY wake up until DS failed in P5 and then I REALLY started to be kiasu. And since I am a perfectionist. I kiasu is really very kiasu. Perfectly kiasu.

My thoughts. Don't flame me.

I agree.

This is a forum for kiaasu parents, so naturally most of the views expressed here are kiaasu in nature. But I think this latest initiative from MOE is a wake up call to kiaasu parents to please give your children time and space to grow up.