Government, what you really want us to do?
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Oppsgal:
Maybe the PR needs to stay for a longer period? Heard of somebody (citizen) married to a foreigner wife, but wife not allow to work in Singapore.
Once the wife is PR, she is allowed to work. What she has is probably a long-term social visit pass.
The reality on the ground is because the wife is not a PR, the family has to pay private rates even at KK. So, unless the Singaporean husband is rich, the family will probably deliver the baby back in the wife's country where she is likely to enjoy subsidized rates in a public hospital. The baby will then most likely acquire citizenship by birth of the wife's country. The Singaporean husband, unless he is lawyer, would probably not know that he has to register the baby with the Singapore consulate within one year from birth for the baby to have Singapore citizenship by descent.
There is a fall-back provision in Art 124 of the Constitution whereby the Government may register a child as a citizen of Singapore if the child is the child of a citizen of Singapore and is resident in Singapore. But if the family is not rich, how can they be reasonably expected to bring the child to live in Singapore when the child is neither a citizen or PR? On another long-term social visit pass? What if the child or mother gets sick? Is the family supposed to pay private rates for all those visits to a pediatrican for vaccinations?
And if baby no. 2 comes along, the mother goes back to wherever she came from again...? Child no. 1 follows mama back, and is no longer resident in Singapore. And then they are all accused of not keeping close ties with Singapore?
It's kind of a Catch-22 situation, especially when nobody but the ICAS seem to know what the criteria are.
Voila! In the end, Singapore loses another baby to the wife's country.
And that's how policies and red-tape can cascade on the ground to reach unintended consequences. -
pirate:
Got good and bad.Oppsgal:
Maybe the PR needs to stay for a longer period? Heard of somebody (citizen) married to a foreigner wife, but wife not allow to work in Singapore.
Once the wife is PR, she is allowed to work. What she has is probably a long-term social visit pass.
The reality on the ground is because the wife is not a PR, the family has to pay private rates even at KK. So, unless the Singaporean husband is rich, the family will probably deliver the baby back in the wife's country where she is likely to enjoy subsidized rates in a public hospital. The baby will then most likely acquire citizenship by birth of the wife's country. The Singaporean husband, unless he is lawyer, would probably not know that he has to register the baby with the Singapore consulate within one year from birth for the baby to have Singapore citizenship by descent.
There is a fall-back provision in Art 124 of the Constitution whereby the Government may register a child as a citizen of Singapore if the child is the child of a citizen of Singapore and is resident in Singapore. But if the family is not rich, how can they be reasonably expected to bring the child to live in Singapore when the child is neither a citizen or PR? On another long-term social visit pass? What if the child or mother gets sick? Is the family supposed to pay private rates for all those visits to a pediatrican for vaccinations?
And if baby no. 2 comes along, the mother goes back to wherever she came from again...? Child no. 1 follows mama back, and is no longer resident in Singapore. And then they are all accused of not keeping close ties with Singapore?
It's kind of a Catch-22 situation, especially when nobody but the ICAS seem to know what the criteria are.
Voila! In the end, Singapore loses another baby to the wife's country.
And that's how policies and red-tape can cascade on the ground to reach unintended consequences.
Some might just married to be the citizen without having to stay here, if no such rules and then divorce? -
MMM:
At least still can visit everyday. Some only see 2 days every weekend... The kids might be upset whenever the parents left them on Sunday night.
I supposed each family has their own arrangement and there is no right or wrong so long as they are comfortable and think it is the best arrangement for all.Imami:
Indeed, I agree - what's the point if parents just dump them at grandparents' place? I hv two colleagues on such arrangement. The kid now three and a half, has been at grandma's place since birth. He only return to his home on weekends. During the weekdays, he stay at grandma's home.
I find this a very uncomfortable scenario.
Another colleague, due to give birth this dec, will also be having such arrangement - either leave at nanny's place from Sunday night to Friday evening or at grandma's place, same thing check in Sunday night check our fri evening.
When I asked her the reason, she said because she could not imagine a life of not enough sleep. She said, if her sleep quality/quantity is compromised, she can't work. When I ask her, haven't she expected this prior to planning for a child ( someone\" accident\" then have a child, this couple plan for one)? She said no, never thought of it. :faint:
My 3 kids were also weekends kids when they were younger. They would stay over at my mum's place from sunday night to friday evening. We would visit them every evening. We did that due to logistics reasons. They only moved home when they are in P1. Have we as a family suffered in terms of bonding???? I don't think so. They are close to grand ma and to us as well. As parents, we are also very involved.
So I don't think having such \"weekends kids\" arrangement means the parents are \"irresponsible\". -
Ideally, the children will be staying at home every day (from an academic perspective)but unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world. So long as the children’s welfare are not compromised, every family will need work out their "ideal" arrangement based on their circumstances.
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Ideally, grandparents live next door. They have their own space, we have our own. No need to pay parking when visiting. The kids grow up with grandparents around. Grandparents see their grandchildren growing up. But come nightfall, each family say nitey-nite, and retreat behind own door.
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Mawar:
Ideally, grandparents live next door. They have their own space, we have our own. No need to pay parking when visiting. The kids grow up with grandparents around. Grandparents see their grandchildren growing up. But come nightfall, each family say nitey-nite, and retreat behind own door.
They are already testing this out in some dual-key ECs.
Extracted from iproperty....
More families who have relatives living in close proximity to them are becoming more curious about a new breed of adjoining studio apartments termed ‘dual-key’ apartments.
In a dual-key home, the studio unit is equipped with a kitchen and bathroom. Its entrance is separate from that of the main unit, both of which open to a shared foyer.
For families with elderly parents to take care of, these adjoining units permit a close watch on them while maintaining privacy.
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