Population woes

[Busymom]

3Boys:

Everything also blame the foreigner. Why? They are the the easy bogeyman right?


Property prices? How do you account for the fact that the 1996 peak occurred well before there was an influx and with population at 3.6M? A record that was not touched until 2008 when there were 4.8M? Economic growth and easy credit got nothing to do with it?

COEs? Peak was in 1994 with COE at 110K. What was the population then?

Those people with investment properties and renting them out for cash flow, how many of you are renting to Singaporeans?

The exact opposite of the Gold 90.5 ad, people only want to hear the bad stuff.

As if shutting the flow of foreigners will suddenly solve all our employment issues.

:goodpost:

3boys, you have elephant memory. :salute:

If not mistaken, the rise in ppty price during that period was also due to hot money in Asia, which disappeared with the Asian financial crisis in 1997.

[limlim]

3Boys:

Singaporean workers are still good in general, but they are nowhere as superior to foreign worker to the extent that you and others have deluded yourselves into believing.

from personal encounters.. some FTs just CMI.

on the other hand.. I tend to agree that FWs tend to be more hard-working and more committed to the job.

[limlim]

3Boys:

pirate:

In addition, you are assuming that our neighbouring countries do not also have highly skilled workers or workers who can be trained to be highly skilled. Singaporeans are not inherently smarter or more hardworking than people of other nationalities. That is hubris.

limlim, you forgot to address this point.

I did address this point already. But not replying to his question as I see no need to.

I asked, since the other countries can provide those skilled workers (which I do not deny), WHY do they not just go there and set up base there NOW and get the supply of workers there? Instead of having the govt to import these workers?

There must be tangible benefits or reasons for having the base in SG..

And these benefits do not disappear overnight if supply of cheap FT disappears.

[3Boys]

limlim:

3Boys:

[quote=\"pirate\"]
In addition, you are assuming that our neighbouring countries do not also have highly skilled workers or workers who can be trained to be highly skilled. Singaporeans are not inherently smarter or more hardworking than people of other nationalities. That is hubris.

limlim, you forgot to address this point.

I did address this point already. But not replying to his question as I see no need to.

I asked, since the other countries can provide those skilled workers (which I do not deny), WHY do they not just go there and set up base there NOW and get the supply of workers there? Instead of having the govt to import these workers?

There must be tangible benefits or reasons for having the base in SG..

And these benefits do not disappear overnight if supply of cheap FT disappears.[/quote]But will those 'benefits' be enough in the absence of labour? What secret recipe do we have that cannot be copied by people with enough intellect and willpower? The answer is, None. It's happening ALREADY! People are doing as you say, leaving Singapore and setting up elsewhere. An example is that of Qantas. Does anyone realize how serious that was?

Please don't keep the heads in the sand.

[lim72]

http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/10/12/highly-qualified-risk-manager-who-earns-11k-replaced-by-ft/


我们是不是在这个时候还说这个人的刀不够利,所以只能怪他自己呢?

[xfx]

3Boys:

Dora1:

Of course there will be cases where the 2 are in conflict, then the million dollar ministers and the expensive senior civil servants have to give alternatives. Why else are they the highest paid politicians and senior civil servants in the world?

They are always in conflict, and the ministers HAVE made their decisions. The problem is that people refuse to accept them.

The only criteria for a GOOD decision I see being bandied around is that ministers make decisions that make people HAPPY. No consideration to logic, long term planning, saving for our future, just make sure the MRT is not crowded.

A good decision would be a balance of happiness, prosperity and progress. Now situation seems to be tilted to prosperity and progress. I hoped that the policy makers will keep in mind our pledge.

\"We the Citizens of Singapore,......so as to achieve Happiness, prosperity and progress for our nation.\"

[3Boys]

lim72:

http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/10/12/highly-qualified-risk-manager-who-earns-11k-replaced-by-ft/


我们是不是在这个时候还说这个人的刀不够利,所以只能怪他自己呢?

Read this from transitioning.org

http://www.transitioning.org/2012/09/17/generation-y-lady-pmet-agrees-with-the-current-foreign-talent-influx/

[3Boys]

xfx:

3Boys:

[quote=\"Dora1\"]

Of course there will be cases where the 2 are in conflict, then the million dollar ministers and the expensive senior civil servants have to give alternatives. Why else are they the highest paid politicians and senior civil servants in the world?

They are always in conflict, and the ministers HAVE made their decisions. The problem is that people refuse to accept them.

The only criteria for a GOOD decision I see being bandied around is that ministers make decisions that make people HAPPY. No consideration to logic, long term planning, saving for our future, just make sure the MRT is not crowded.

A good decision would be a balance of happiness, prosperity and progress. Now situation seems to be titled to prosperity and progress. I hoped that the policy makers will keep in mind our pledge.

\"We the Citizens of Singapore,......so as to achieve Happiness, prosperity and progress for our nation.\"[/quote]If we even give so much as 1 scholarship to a foreigner, or if so much as 1 foreigner takes the place of 1 Singaporean, we will be unhappy and the news will be in TOC and TRE.

So much for balance.

[limlim]

3Boys:

But will those 'benefits' be enough in the absence of labour? What secret recipe do we have that cannot be copied by people with enough intellect and willpower? The answer is, None. It's happening ALREADY! People are doing as you say, leaving Singapore and setting up elsewhere. An example is that of Qantas. Does anyone realize how serious that was?

Please don't keep the heads in the sand.

That is already happening with the supply of FTs.

So?

They do not shift bcoz of lack of FTs.

Don't say until the present of FT is the determining factor of whether they maintain their operations here.

[WeiHan]

I just want to know.


Easy credit is known to cause bubbles. What measures will the government be taking to prevent a housing bubble?