Population woes
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3Boys:
This..
Which is?mum_sugoku:
Anyway I share WeiHan's sentiment
.WeiHan:
..and thisAren't we trying to compete on a resource that we naturally has a disadvantage? If increasing population and scale is an advantage, then we are doomed, Taipei, Shanghai, Seoul etc...can all increase scale much more easily than Singapore since their city size can expand easily within a hinterland but we can't.
WeiHan:
If I may, I'll say that sustaining economic growth by increasing population is another form of kicking the can down the road. Just like how the present quantitative easings are kicking the can down the road for US (and European Union joining the party soon) financial problems. The only difference is that altering population density artificially creates a more permanent negative impact that may not be able to reverse at all.
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pirate:
In other words, they have no solution.. except to keep reacting (yielding) to the situation..WeiHan:
Aren't we trying to compete on a resource that we naturally has a disadvantage? If increasing population and scale is an advantage, then we are doomed, Taipei, Shanghai, Seoul etc...can all increase scale much more easily than Singapore since their city size can expand easily within a hinterland but we can't.
Finally you understand the cards we have been dealt with. There is no resource we naturally have an advantage. What are we going to do about it? -
it is just a vicious cycle… ppl are getting mad with the garment inviting FT and NC, so they oppose them, while on the other hand the garment feels they are losing votes and keep inviting more FT and NC to vote them… so the cycle just continues…
if we could, do anything to ease the situation, is to vote our garment by outstanding majority votes so that they could drop or reduce the number of NC coming to sg…
if that is ever possible… -
verykiasumummy:
FT and NCs have no voting rights. Even PRs cannot vote. And that is definitely not the reason why the govt is importing more foreign labour, be they FW or FT.it is just a vicious cycle... ppl are getting mad with the garment inviting FT and NC, so they oppose them, while on the other hand the garment feels they are losing votes and keep inviting more FT and NC to vote them... so the cycle just continues...
if we could, do anything to ease the situation, is to vote our garment by outstanding majority votes so that they could drop or reduce the number of NC coming to sg...
if that is ever possible... -
Funz:
oh is it?? i heard that NC and PR can vote.. that's why i came to this conclusion..
FT and NCs have no voting rights. Even PRs cannot vote. And that is definitely not the reason why the govt is importing more foreign labour, be they FW or FT.verykiasumummy:
it is just a vicious cycle... ppl are getting mad with the garment inviting FT and NC, so they oppose them, while on the other hand the garment feels they are losing votes and keep inviting more FT and NC to vote them... so the cycle just continues...
if we could, do anything to ease the situation, is to vote our garment by outstanding majority votes so that they could drop or reduce the number of NC coming to sg...
if that is ever possible... -
mum_sugoku:
This..
Which is?3Boys:
[quote=\"mum_sugoku\"]
Anyway I share WeiHan's sentiment .WeiHan:
..and thisAren't we trying to compete on a resource that we naturally has a disadvantage? If increasing population and scale is an advantage, then we are doomed, Taipei, Shanghai, Seoul etc...can all increase scale much more easily than Singapore since their city size can expand easily within a hinterland but we can't.
WeiHan:
[/quote]And the solution is....?If I may, I'll say that sustaining economic growth by increasing population is another form of kicking the can down the road. Just like how the present quantitative easings are kicking the can down the road for US (and European Union joining the party soon) financial problems. The only difference is that altering population density artificially creates a more permanent negative impact that may not be able to reverse at all.
Wait, I know! :idea:
Ask our million dollar ministers ........ but refuse to accept their decisions. -
verykiasumummy:
oh is it?? i heard that NC and PR can vote.. that's why i came to this conclusion..[/quote]NC as in non citizen or new citizen?
FT and NCs have no voting rights. Even PRs cannot vote. And that is definitely not the reason why the govt is importing more foreign labour, be they FW or FT.Funz:
[quote=\"verykiasumummy\"]it is just a vicious cycle... ppl are getting mad with the garment inviting FT and NC, so they oppose them, while on the other hand the garment feels they are losing votes and keep inviting more FT and NC to vote them... so the cycle just continues...
if we could, do anything to ease the situation, is to vote our garment by outstanding majority votes so that they could drop or reduce the number of NC coming to sg...
if that is ever possible...
I thot non citizen then realise now you are referring to new citizen. New citizen can & must vote.
PRs no voting rights -
Funz:
new citizens of cos... i didnt know non citizens are in the picture... opps...
NC as in non citizen or new citizen?verykiasumummy:
oh is it?? i heard that NC and PR can vote.. that's why i came to this conclusion..
I thot non citizen then realise now you are referring to new citizen. New citizen can & must vote.
PRs no voting rights
but i had the impression that PR can vote... ok now, since NC can vote, they could be invited into sg just to neutralise the votings... so does my conclusion makes some cow sense?? -
Only citizens can vote…
whether old or new… as long as >21yo… and not given up their rights to vote. -
verykiasumummy:
new citizens of cos... i didnt know non citizens are in the picture... opps...
NC as in non citizen or new citizen?Funz:
[quote=\"verykiasumummy\"]
oh is it?? i heard that NC and PR can vote.. that's why i came to this conclusion..
I thot non citizen then realise now you are referring to new citizen. New citizen can & must vote.
PRs no voting rights
but i had the impression that PR can vote... ok now, since NC can vote, they could be invited into sg just to neutralise the votings... so does my conclusion makes some cow sense??[/quote]But still don't think so that getting votes is the driving force for bringing in new citizens. There is no guarantee that NCs will vote incumbant. And looking at the number of eligible voters in the last election, how many do you think are NCs that their votes will make up for those that vote opposition.
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