Choose Secondary school for 2010

[Augmum]

VitoRelax:

Just wondering, how come you think the number of people in the range of 260-270 has dropped ? Could it be because the number of people in the range 271 to 290 has increased ?
Your estimate of 257 is for which IP school ?
When you said there is no more Sec 3 DSA, which school u referring to ?

Thanks

hi VitoRelax
they are referring to NJC,
but i doubt it'll drop 2 points becos the no. of vacanies left for NJC is not many after taking in the DSA pupils.
and also considering the fact that there are not many IP schools below 260.

[CrazyDad]

Augmum:

VitoRelax:

Just wondering, how come you think the number of people in the range of 260-270 has dropped ? Could it be because the number of people in the range 271 to 290 has increased ?
Your estimate of 257 is for which IP school ?
When you said there is no more Sec 3 DSA, which school u referring to ?

Thanks

hi VitoRelax
they are referring to NJC,
but i doubt it'll drop 2 points becos the no. of vacanies left for NJC is not many after taking in the DSA pupils.
and also considering the fact that there are not many IP schools below 260.

With IP program, it is now much harder to get into good JC. The best is to think way ahead, like before getting into Primary School. For example, if a child is from NYPS and her score is a mere 250, she can eventually end up in HCI. Else, a kid has to get 2-3 points for O level to qualify for RI or HCI. :stupid:

[yellow-dk]

AZWildcat:

ycpang:

My estimation and forecast as below:


Top 3 % - above 261 since this is the EESIS COP this year. If you calculate the total number of IP school, estimate their intakes, take 30% of them (according to MOE), divided by the cohort this year, you will find out that it is about top 3%.

We also know that 248 is the top 10% as this is the COP for 3rd Lang. (French, Japanese, German) this year.

So we can estimate the rests as below:

Top 3%: 261 and above
259 - 260: Top 4%
257 - 258: Top 5%
255 - 256: Top 6%
253 - 254: Top 7%
251 - 252: Top 8%
249 - 250: Top 9%
248: Top 10%

The total intake of all the IP schools is estimated to be around 5% ~ 6% of the cohort (take 400 x No. of IP school, divided by total no. of PSLE cohort).

I think this year the cohort in overall didn't do well. You can see from the drop of EESIS COP and the top 10% is now at COP 248!!

Also, you will notice that RI COP over the past few years was about 1 point below the EESIS while RGS and NYGH COPs were 1 ~ 2 points above RI or on the EESIS COP.

Therefore, we can estimate the RI COP this year is about 260, while RGS and NYGH will be around 261.

I also estimated that the COP for RVH will be either maintain or up due to their new campus and they are now \"truely\" at the west to attrach those live in the west.

HCI, DHS, ACSI COPs should go down as well. Boys' schools school such as HCI and ACSI may be affected most as their \"customers base\" is very limited and boys generally do not do as well as girls.

Anyway, we will find out on 22nd Dec. Good luck to all !! Cheers

Sounds Good.
Btw, COP reflected in the PSLE booklet does not take into account those accepted via DSA, right? My friend's boy was on waitlist and got confirmation on the day PSLE results were announced. His T-scole is 256, while COP for last year 259.

[alderbaran]

[quote]Sounds Good.

Btw, COP reflected in the PSLE booklet does not take into account those accepted via DSA, right? My friend's boy was on waitlist and got confirmation on the day PSLE results were announced. His T-scole is 256, while COP for last year 259.[/quote]I would think that the top schools are quite stringent with their selection during the DSA exercise and generally those who are accepted for DSA would achieve an aggregate score above the COP anyway.

[ycpang]

yellow-dk:

Sounds Good.
Btw, COP reflected in the PSLE booklet does not take into account those accepted via DSA, right? My friend's boy was on waitlist and got confirmation on the day PSLE results were announced. His T-scole is 256, while COP for last year 259.

There will always be cases like this but they are handful. To calculate your kid's chances into these top IP schools, there are many other factors than the Top X%. DSA pupils with lower than the COP is one of them. Other to consider are:

1. DSA via sports/ music and etc (with lower than COP)
2. Distance & transport - for those above COP but choose to go to the nearby school instead. Schools that near MRTs will be a hotter choice.
3. \"Customer base\" - Mix or single (boy/ girl) schools, SAP (Chinese) or mix races schools. For top 10%, 60% girls and 40% boys would be a good guess. (That is why I guessed boys' schools such as HCI and ACSI will be affected most with lower COP this year). RI although is a boy school, they will always attract the top 3% no matter what.
4. Bonus point for those who take HCL into SAP IP schools.
5. Supply and demand - NJC has increased their intake this year, SOTO, NUSH, SST etc will draw some top students aways from the IP schools.

If you spend some time to go through the data available and make some reasonable estimation, you may be able to \"calculate\" the chances of your kids going to top IP schools, if your kids' scores are among the top 7%. Beyond that it would be more difficult to estimate.

Again, good luck to everyone on 22 Dec.

[CrazyDad]

ycpang:

There will always be cases like this but they are handful. To calculate your kid's chances into these top IP schools, there are many other factors than the Top X%. DSA pupils with lower than the COP is one of them. Other to consider are:


1. DSA via sports/ music and etc (with lower than COP)
2. Distance & transport - for those above COP but choose to go to the nearby school instead. Schools that near MRTs will be a hotter choice.
3. \"Customer base\" - Mix or single (boy/ girl) schools, SAP (Chinese) or mix races schools. For top 10%, 60% girls and 40% boys would be a good guess. (That is why I guessed boys' schools such as HCI and ACSI will be affected most with lower COP this year). RI although is a boy school, they will always attract the top 3% no matter what.
4. Bonus point for those who take HCL into SAP IP schools.
5. Supply and demand - NJC has increased their intake this year, SOTO, NUSH, SST etc will draw some top students aways from the IP schools.

If you spend some time to go through the data available and make some reasonable estimation, you may be able to \"calculate\" the chances of your kids going to top IP schools, if your kids' scores are among the top 7%. Beyond that it would be more difficult to estimate.

Again, good luck to everyone on 22 Dec.

Cannot wait for the 22 to come

But I do not understand :?
Since all the school allocation is computerized, why it takes so long.
In fact, the allocation should have been done overnight. So we can have more time to buy books, uniform, bus services etc.
Why need to take so long??

[VitoRelax]

CrazyDad:

Cannot wait for the 22 to come


But I do not understand :?
Since all the school allocation is computerized, why it takes so long.
In fact, the allocation should have been done overnight. So we can have more time to buy books, uniform, bus services etc.
Why need to take so long??

That was precisely my question in the Primary School PSLE results thread.

On a press of a button on 2nd Dec, the computer software would have allocated all the students. Why MOE takes 20 days to inform us is anybody's guess !!

[poohandtigger]

it’s not fair!!! Parents only have 5 days to decide!

[VitoRelax]

poohandtigger:

it's not fair!!!! Parents only have 5 days to decide!

Anyone working with MOE knows why MOE need 20 days in this advanced technological age ?

[mrswongtuition]

VitoRelax:

poohandtigger:

it's not fair!!!! Parents only have 5 days to decide!

Anyone working with MOE knows why MOE need 20 days in this advanced technological age ?

Firstly, they also need some time to manually key in the data that were submitted on paper. Not all parents are IT savvy or have the resources to submit their options online.

Forgot to add:
Some parents actually do not submit by the deadline and MOE needs to call them up personally to check if they've submitted but the documents got lost or they forget to submit. It's not fair if they've submitted but the documents got lost right?

And with so much data to handle, sometimes the computer will also need time to generate the results. And at the end of it, the computer isn't perfect and there'll be some 'manual work' to be done to complete the whole allocation.

After that initial allocation is done, MOE will need to inform the respective school principals of the possible enrolment for each school and if the school is in real shortage of resources/staff (sudden massive transfers/resignations) and unable to take so many classes, the principals will need to alert MOE and MOE will need to 'reallocate' again.

Once all these is done, MOE will need to double check again to make sure there's no error (imagine if they posted wrongly & parents will go through alot of trouble). Then there's the printing of the results to be posted out. And they also need to give a list to the respective secondary schools to prepare for registration and other admin work to be done.

It's not an easy process. Imagine in 1 school we already take 1 whole day to allocate S2 students for the streaming exercise, what more the entire SG's P6 population?

I understand your anxiety but all things take time. It's better to explain to our children the virtue of being patient for the results as others need time to 'do their work' rather than be impatient about it. I'm a very impatient person but I try my best to be patient, especially for my boy.