PSLE leave: For or Against?

[limlim]

Parents (many?) are known to be fearful of PSLE…


And OCBC is fueling that FEAR by introducing formal PSLE Leave and publicly announcing it.

[kwcllf]

limlim:

Parents (many?) are known to be fearful of PSLE..


And OCBC is fueling that FEAR by introducing formal PSLE Leave and publicly announcing it.

I think we can safely say that there will be some degrees of \"fear\" or anxiety in any exams, not just PSLE. If it is inherently present, then it is more important to teach our DC how to confront it (Perhaps, even the parents).

There will always be obstacles in our lives and if OCBC's implementation of PSLE Leave can affect anyone so badly, then they better learn how to overcome them as there will definitely be more challenges (greater) in our lifetime.

[3Boys]

kwcllf:

There will always be obstacles in our lives and if OCBC's implementation of PSLE Leave can affect anyone so badly, then they better learn how to overcome them as there will definitely be more challenges (greater) in our lifetime.

The whole principle is wrong.

[kwcllf]

3Boys:

kwcllf:

There will always be obstacles in our lives and if OCBC's implementation of PSLE Leave can affect anyone so badly, then they better learn how to overcome them as there will definitely be more challenges (greater) in our lifetime.

The whole principle is wrong.

In the \"Eye of the Beholder\".

So, to each his own. In KSP poll, there is 75% \"For\" and 25% \"Against\".

[Daddy D]

Don't get me started on the we cannot agree to disagree thingy...

:celebrate:

[Dnls_mum]

3Boys:

I do not begrudge parents taking time off to be with their kids during PSLE. I wholeheartedly support it. I also support staff who want to take time off to be with their ill parents. There have also been staff who take 1 year part time to complete a degree.


All valid reasons and supportable. All easily covered under the leave system, through a combination of annual leave, sick leave, compassionate leave, no-pay leave, part time etc., subject to exigencies of service.

We have let staff off during PSLE year for months at a time, supportable, subject to exigencies of service.

Give it a name, suddenly it becomes something big and huge, and worse, becomes an entitlement.

We need to be fair to ALL staff. Some parents may argue that their 'O' level child should have priority. How about a daughter suffering stress at an undergrad course overseas? That should be given a label too?

So called 'PSLE' leave can be negotiated, it is on par with everything else that people feel they should have a priority for, but is not, and should never be an entitlement. Giving it a name seems to place it in a special category, \"Oh, I have PSLE leave, that takes priority over someone else's annual leave.\" I do not agree to that at all. And if it is not meant to be in a special category, then why give it a name at all?

Yes, it is already quite a routine practice of parents taking time off during exams, the phenomenon is not confined to Singapore alone. However, despite what some others argue, there are big pitfalls to 'labelling' and 'formalising' it. Feeding into fears is one. Becoming an entitlement is the other. It is no longer 'a nice gesture'.

kwcllf, see how your position has subtly shifted during this discussion? When I first suggested that there is a danger in formalising, you initially leapt up and said that no one is suggesting widespread formalisation. One post ago you seem to have changed your mind. Lest I be accused of putting words in people's mouths, my read of your post is that you support the statutory implementation of PSLE leave. If that is not the case, here is your chance to clarify.

This kind of practice is insidious, it feeds on people's mindsets, it creates an unhealthy environment for other companies.

:goodpost:
Agree! Agree!
Just take annual leave. Giving it a special term definitely imply a certain entitlement to take the leave without need to take into consideration your colleagues and work commitment.

[Dnls_mum]

kwcllf:

3Boys:

[quote=\"kwcllf\"]
There will always be obstacles in our lives and if OCBC's implementation of PSLE Leave can affect anyone so badly, then they better learn how to overcome them as there will definitely be more challenges (greater) in our lifetime.

The whole principle is wrong.

In the \"Eye of the Beholder\".

So, to each his own. In KSP poll, there is 75% \"For\" and 25% \"Against\".[/quote]Because this is a KSP forum mah. :rotflmao: In another forum may be different. It depends on the demographics of the members. The name of this forum says it all :rotflmao:

[kwcllf]

Dnls_mum:

3Boys:

I do not begrudge parents taking time off to be with their kids during PSLE. I wholeheartedly support it. I also support staff who want to take time off to be with their ill parents. There have also been staff who take 1 year part time to complete a degree.


All valid reasons and supportable. All easily covered under the leave system, through a combination of annual leave, sick leave, compassionate leave, no-pay leave, part time etc., subject to exigencies of service.

We have let staff off during PSLE year for months at a time, supportable, subject to exigencies of service.

Give it a name, suddenly it becomes something big and huge, and worse, becomes an entitlement.

We need to be fair to ALL staff. Some parents may argue that their 'O' level child should have priority. How about a daughter suffering stress at an undergrad course overseas? That should be given a label too?

So called 'PSLE' leave can be negotiated, it is on par with everything else that people feel they should have a priority for, but is not, and should never be an entitlement. Giving it a name seems to place it in a special category, \"Oh, I have PSLE leave, that takes priority over someone else's annual leave.\" I do not agree to that at all. And if it is not meant to be in a special category, then why give it a name at all?

Yes, it is already quite a routine practice of parents taking time off during exams, the phenomenon is not confined to Singapore alone. However, despite what some others argue, there are big pitfalls to 'labelling' and 'formalising' it. Feeding into fears is one. Becoming an entitlement is the other. It is no longer 'a nice gesture'.

kwcllf, see how your position has subtly shifted during this discussion? When I first suggested that there is a danger in formalising, you initially leapt up and said that no one is suggesting widespread formalisation. One post ago you seem to have changed your mind. Lest I be accused of putting words in people's mouths, my read of your post is that you support the statutory implementation of PSLE leave. If that is not the case, here is your chance to clarify.

This kind of practice is insidious, it feeds on people's mindsets, it creates an unhealthy environment for other companies.

:goodpost:
Agree! Agree!
Just take annual leave. Giving it a special term definitely imply a certain entitlement to take the leave without need to take into consideration your colleagues and work commitment.

If some company like OCBC can give, then give. If other companies cannot for whatever reasons, then don't give. Every company has its own unique situation.

[Lilac66]

I think 3Boys has always maintained that he's not against the leave. The poll is flawed in this argument as it takes into account if people want this leave, and not about the way the leave is coined.

I'm all for the leave , but still feel if it's an internal policy, keep it as such. That's my view. :xedfingers:

Daddy D, don't start your \"agree to disagree or disagree to agree\" poll, I still confused about that poll.

[Dnls_mum]

janet_lee88:

limlim:

[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]\"The interesting reply was yes, that is one aspect of it, but the other aspect is the running track is not a smooth running track, it has got bumps and stones and grass on it. That means the one with the thicker running shoe will automatically perform better because he or she is better equipped. That is the sense people are getting.\"

The one with less support but nevertheless made it, will have a resilient and tough body that is better capable of dealing with crisis or challenges later one.

The problem are those who \"made it\" with the help of better support and readily available resources..

If they are put into fast track or groomed to be leaders..

can they perform \"on their own\"?

This is interesting.
Kids who are extensively groomed and do very well at PSLE can take the IP route...but at secondary 1, can these kids manage ? I had 2 friends whose kids did very well and took the IP route...realized that it is different from the tried-and-tested O level route and struggling now.[/quote]Well said! Not only your friend's kids. Many who did extremely well after being well coached by parents for PSLE have problems because their parents cannot teach them ahead of their classmates in sec sch. This is very real in many IP schools. Then the parents start blaming the school, the teachers, the system, but not themselves........