English - Quoting a Sentence in OE Comprehension

[call a spade a spade]

verykiasumummy:

didnt know of such a thread... thks for bumping this up...


i'm not too sure of who said the right thing here... but i'm very sure that all my dc are marked the same way, that is, teachers do hv a certain rule out there...

the answer is always marked as
The sentence is \"John ate like a pig\".

having single or double quotation marks are not penalised at all.. i see both single or double marked as correct 2 full marks for my dc...

i think it is always the case when it comes to eng, where many ppl have been taught either different ways, or from different countries... i would say they may be all correct in their context, but the moe only follows their set... so it should be best to check with their hod in sch... whether they are experts or not, they are responsible for answering that to parents...

I fully agree with you here. Most parents who compare will also find out that teachers from different schools give different answers. So, at the end of the day, the school teachers are accountable to the students and parents for whatever answers they give.

[verykiasumummy]

call a spade a spade:

verykiasumummy:

didnt know of such a thread... thks for bumping this up...


i'm not too sure of who said the right thing here... but i'm very sure that all my dc are marked the same way, that is, teachers do hv a certain rule out there...

the answer is always marked as
The sentence is \"John ate like a pig\".

having single or double quotation marks are not penalised at all.. i see both single or double marked as correct 2 full marks for my dc...

i think it is always the case when it comes to eng, where many ppl have been taught either different ways, or from different countries... i would say they may be all correct in their context, but the moe only follows their set... so it should be best to check with their hod in sch... whether they are experts or not, they are responsible for answering that to parents...

I fully agree with you here. Most parents who compare will also find out that teachers from different schools give different answers. So, at the end of the day, the school teachers are accountable to the students and parents for whatever answers they give.

as chk with my dd's teacher. the same as what i hv mentioned,

The sentence is \"John ate like a pig\".

--- is the way it is marked in the school....

[atutor2001]

verykiasumummy:

as chk with my dd's teacher. the same as what i hv mentioned,

The sentence is \"John ate like a pig\".

--- is the way it is marked in the school....

Sometimes, teachers' can be wrong. Young teachers especially - they didn't study grammar.

The period should be inside the quotation mark.

.... like a pig.\"

This site is useful http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

[verykiasumummy]

atutor2001:

verykiasumummy:

as chk with my dd's teacher. the same as what i hv mentioned,

The sentence is \"John ate like a pig\".

--- is the way it is marked in the school....

Sometimes, teachers' can be wrong. Young teachers especially - they didn't study grammar.

The period should be inside the quotation mark.

.... like a pig.\"

This site is useful http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

the teacher is wrong?? but this is what that was marked in the exam papers..

rather than believing in the websites, i reckon checking with teacher's marking scheme will be better...

what if the teacher were to mark :

The sentence is \"John ate like a pig.\"

---- as wrong??

i couldnt be quoting from the website to argue with the sch...

[weatherbee]

Are they very particular? I see the school mark - The sentence is "John ate like a pig." and The sentence is "John ate like a pig". correct. Personally I prefer The sentence is "John ate like a pig."

[verykiasumummy]

weatherbee:

Are they very particular? I see the school mark - The sentence is \"John ate like a pig.\" and The sentence is \"John ate like a pig\". correct. Personally I prefer The sentence is \"John ate like a pig.\"

never dare to try both.. i dun want to create unnecessary conflicts to my dc for this...

[julialai]

verykiasumummy:

atutor2001:

[quote=\"verykiasumummy\"]
as chk with my dd's teacher. the same as what i hv mentioned,

The sentence is \"John ate like a pig\".

--- is the way it is marked in the school....

Sometimes, teachers' can be wrong. Young teachers especially - they didn't study grammar.

The period should be inside the quotation mark.

.... like a pig.\"

This site is useful http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

the teacher is wrong?? but this is what that was marked in the exam papers..

rather than believing in the websites, i reckon checking with teacher's marking scheme will be better...

what if the teacher were to mark :

The sentence is \"John ate like a pig.\"

---- as wrong??

i couldnt be quoting from the website to argue with the sch...[/quote]My DS's English teacher penalised him when he quoted, for example:

The sentence is \"John ate like a pig.\"

She taught the kids that they have to present as:

The sentence is \"John ate like a pig.\".

I have confirmed that hers is incorrect. There should not be another full-stop and the full-stop should be inside the quotation marks.

Recently this year, my nephew told me that his English teacher, who is a HOD for English, taught them that it is no longer necessary to write 'The sentence is..\" or \"It is..\" Just simply write as:

\"John ate like a pig.\"

This is only applicable for quoting a sentence. For quoting a word or phrase, they still have to write,\"The phrase is..\" or \"It is..\"

[elkniwt]

verykiasumummy:

as chk with my dd's teacher. the same as what i hv mentioned,

The sentence is \"John ate like a pig\".

--- is the way it is marked in the school....

My dd has just taken her PSLE this year. The school teachers conducted a talk for parents and explicitly went through this type of questions.

According to the teachers, the fullstop should be inside the quotes like this :
The sentence is \"John ate like a pig.\"

Just to add, the above applies to sentences. However if the question requires quoting of phrases, the fullstop should be outside the quotes like this:
The phrase is \"ate like a pig\".

[AdvancedAcademia]

Actually the problem is not with the schools or teachers. The problem is actually with SEAB. This is because during OE marking, such answers from pupils are flagged up for discussion and invariably SEAB always fails to give a conclusive and satisfactory explanation for their answer. (Sometimes, its even conflicting!)


What is important is that teacher must be consistent in their teaching and understand the reason why a rule is taught. Too often teachers/HODs try to second guess SEAB and what they will or will not accept, thus the many variants of answers.

What I teach my students is to place the period inside the quotation marks if they are quoting a sentence. This follows the British convention where the period should be within the quotation marks. I.e. The sentence is "John ate the pig." However, if they are quoting a phrase (note a phrase not a clause) or a word, I would have them place the period outside the quotation marks. I.e. The word is "pig".

[HAPPYH]

AdvancedAcademia:

Actually the problem is not with the schools or teachers. The problem is actually with SEAB. This is because during OE marking, such answers from pupils are flagged up for discussion and invariably SEAB always fails to give a conclusive and satisfactory explanation for their answer. (Sometimes, its even conflicting!)


What is important is that teacher must be consistent in their teaching and understand the reason why a rule is taught. Too often teachers/HODs try to second guess SEAB and what they will or will not accept, thus the many variants of answers.

What I teach my students is to place the period inside the quotation marks if they are quoting a sentence. This follows the British convention where the period should be within the quotation marks. I.e. The sentence is \"John ate the pig.\" However, if they are quoting a phrase (note a phrase not a clause) or a word, I would have them place the period outside the quotation marks. I.e. The word is \"pig\".

Same in my school except they should use single quotation marks for phrases and words. eg: The word is 'pig'. They also accept, The word is, 'pig'.