MOE to stop publishing names of top students?

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sinoboy:

希望当局能够考虑废除天才班，或透过DSA直接收取天才班，和直通车等这些让家长和孩子们都感到焦虑的条例与政策。

GEP cause stress to 家长和孩子们? Why? How?

A case of looking too much into other's plates?

Being \"Gifted\" surely has a different meaning to many Singaporean parents?

On a whole, Singaporean do want to be in the NO.1 position or be in association with the No.1, and be proud of being a member of No.1; but, over the years, things have become, if there is any meritocracy programs, and if me/my children are not in it's top/middle-top level, then all these 让家长和孩子们都感到焦虑的条例与政策 should be abolished ??

We have come such a long way....

[Mawar]

david59:

SAHM_TAN:

I keep reading abt envy mindset.


I'm curious, parents who are not agreeable to DSA, GEP, are you jealous?

I suppose a few are. But for most of us, we are giving our opinions that these schemes cause a lots of stresses to kiasu parents, teachers, parents n especial students who may not be asking for them. Also for me, I feel that these schemes cause unfair disadvantages towards the weaker students as what I have already shared here in this thread.

I wont go as far to say folks are jealous. Most parents are now educated, and they feel that maybe a more level playing field is in order. Times have changed. Our nation building days are behind us. Fairness and equitable distribution of limited educational resources should be shared. Most families have only 1 to 2 precious kids, they want their kids to have a chance to compete freely and on even ground.

Some of those schemes were created at a different point in time, and to fulfill our nation's interests then. Bear in mind most policies were devised from top down and by an elite group of scholars. We wanted leaders. We picked and identified scholars and fast tracked them in the AA service.

Those days are passé. The silent majority has found their voice.

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CayennePepper:

sinoboy:

希望当局能够考虑废除天才班，或透过DSA直接收取天才班，和直通车等这些让家长和孩子们都感到焦虑的条例与政策。

若当局把高材测试延至小六， 会让更多家长安心吗？

家长和孩子感到焦虑， 是因为他们把得失看得太重了吧！如能随遇而安。。。

According to Wikipedia:-
Intellectual giftedness is an intellectual ability significantly higher than average. It is different from a skill, in that skills are learned or acquired behaviors......


天才 or Gifted, is born with high Intelligent Quotes. By right, it's not something that should be cultivated or nurtured, no?
Regardless of at P3 or P6, the gifted ones would remain gifted, delaying the selecting process is only served to fulfill certain parents that are hopeful of making their children \"the gifted\" to have more time?

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CayennePepper:

BeContented:

[quote=\"Melodies\"]时势造就了李资政！

倘若李贤政生在今时，他能不能成为新加坡的英雄，还有待见征!

Good point.
Without LKY, probably we won't even have this GEP/DSA/IP issues to consider. Most of us will probably not be as educated as we are now. Can even look over our shoulders & rejoice over our less stressful, less competitive life.

Well, maybe in the near future we can look forward to such blissful lives. :boogie:[/quote]
Haha, yes, indeed, CayennePepper, :imanangel: it'd be so blissful that me/my children would be the smartest of all in the neighborhood, but then again, those below still would complain and lobbying for the bar to be lowered, yet again (?)

Then, one day we will be blissfully look around SG that ALL OF
US ARE IN THE SAME INTELLIGENCE LEVEL, no one is smarter than the other, so peace with all (?)

It's like Marxism Education System ? and the eventual attainment of a classless society (?)

[david59]

Mawar:

david59:

[quote=\"SAHM_TAN\"]I keep reading abt envy mindset.


I'm curious, parents who are not agreeable to DSA, GEP, are you jealous?

I suppose a few are. But for most of us, we are giving our opinions that these schemes cause a lots of stresses to kiasu parents, teachers, parents n especial students who may not be asking for them. Also for me, I feel that these schemes cause unfair disadvantages towards the weaker students as what I have already shared here in this thread.

I wont go as far to say folks are jealous. Most parents are now educated, and they feel that maybe a more level playing field is in order. Times have changed. Our nation building days are behind us. Fairness and equitable distribution of limited educational resources should be shared. Most families have only 1 to 2 precious kids, they want their kids to have a chance to compete freely and on even ground.

Some of those schemes were created at a different point in time, and to fulfill our nation's interests then. Bear in mind most policies were devised from top down and by an elite group of scholars. We wanted leaders. We picked and identified scholars and fast tracked them in the AA service.

Those days are passé. The silent majority has found their voice.[/quote] :goodpost:

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david59:

Mawar:

[quote=\"david59\"]
I suppose a few are. But for most of us, we are giving our opinions that these schemes cause a lots of stresses to kiasu parents, teachers, parents n especial students who may not be asking for them. Also for me, I feel that these schemes cause unfair disadvantages towards the weaker students as what I have already shared here in this thread.

I wont go as far to say folks are jealous. Most parents are now educated, and they feel that maybe a more level playing field is in order. Times have changed. Our nation building days are behind us. Fairness and equitable distribution of limited educational resources should be shared. Most families have only 1 to 2 precious kids, they want their kids to have a chance to compete freely and on even ground.

Some of those schemes were created at a different point in time, and to fulfill our nation's interests then. Bear in mind most policies were devised from top down and by an elite group of scholars. We wanted leaders. We picked and identified scholars and fast tracked them in the AA service.

Those days are passé. The silent majority has found their voice.

:goodpost:[/quote]
Then it will be a coming of a full cycle ?

[BeContented]

CayennePepper:

BeContented:

[quote=\"Melodies\"]时势造就了李资政！

倘若李贤政生在今时，他能不能成为新加坡的英雄，还有待见征!

Good point.
Without LKY, probably we won't even have this GEP/DSA/IP issues to consider. Most of us will probably not be as educated as we are now. Can even look over our shoulders & rejoice over our less stressful, less competitive life.

Well, maybe in the near future we can look forward to such blissful lives. :boogie:[/quote]

Twinkies:

Haha, yes, indeed, CayennePepper, :imanangel: it'd be so blissful that me/my children would be the smartest of all in the neighborhood, but then again, those below still would complain and lobbying for the bar to be lowered, yet again (?)

Then, one day we will be blissfully look around SG that ALL OF
US ARE IN THE SAME INTELLIGENCE LEVEL, no one is smarter than the other, so peace with all (?)

It's like Marxism Education System ? and the eventual attainment of a classless society (?)

Hmmmm. Dun sound that bad after all.

So where is the cut-off point for majority/mainstreamers?
Top 3 classes? Mixed ability classes? Foundation classes? Wanna level playing field right? Then at which level? Most fair will be at the lowest/most disadvantaged level right?

[wonderm]

The need to remove GEP, DSA, IP is to allow a level playing field for the majority? :?


I thought every P3 is given a chance to take the GEP screening test?
I thought every P6, GEP or mainstream, is allowed to try for DSA? Some top schools have different selection process for GEP and mainstream, but as it has been discusssed in other threads, the GEP students still have to meet some requirements and it is not really \"easy\" per se.

I know some may say that children from more well-to-do or more resourceful families will be better prepared for these tests, is that where the \"unleveled\" playing field is coming from? There is certain truth in this, I am not arguing against that. But in this case, the same kids will still have that \"unfair\" advantage when taking PSLE, right? even if GEP, DSA and IP are removed, these kids will still have better chance of entering the top schools?

We are back to square one? :?

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BeContented:

CayennePepper:

[quote=\"BeContented\"]
Good point.
Without LKY, probably we won't even have this GEP/DSA/IP issues to consider. Most of us will probably not be as educated as we are now. Can even look over our shoulders & rejoice over our less stressful, less competitive life.

Well, maybe in the near future we can look forward to such blissful lives. :boogie:

Twinkies:

Haha, yes, indeed, CayennePepper, :imanangel: it'd be so blissful that me/my children would be the smartest of all in the neighborhood, but then again, those below still would complain and lobbying for the bar to be lowered, yet again (?)

Then, one day we will be blissfully look around SG that ALL OF
US ARE IN THE SAME INTELLIGENCE LEVEL, no one is smarter than the other, so peace with all (?)

It's like Marxism Education System ? and the eventual attainment of a classless society (?)

Hmmmm. Dun sound that bad after all.

So where is the cut-off point for majority/mainstreamers?
Top 3 classes? Mixed ability classes? Foundation classes? Wanna level playing field right? Then at which level? Most fair will be at the lowest/most disadvantaged level right?[/quote]
Hmmm.... entertaining the dangerous thoughts ?

Equality and eradicating all competitiveness is the mother of all dangers...
The final full result would be a giant monster that no one could tamed, and that would happened when we are grandparents/great-grandparents ?

Then, maybe there'll be just another LKY in shining armor, if we are lucky enough ?

[CayennePepper]

Twinkies:

CayennePepper:

[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
希望当局能够考虑废除天才班，或透过DSA直接收取天才班，和直通车等这些让家长和孩子们都感到焦虑的条例与政策。

若当局把高材测试延至小六， 会让更多家长安心吗？

家长和孩子感到焦虑， 是因为他们把得失看得太重了吧！如能随遇而安。。。

According to Wikipedia:-
Intellectual giftedness is an intellectual ability significantly higher than average. It is different from a skill, in that skills are learned or acquired behaviors......


天才 or Gifted, is born with high Intelligent Quotes. By right, it's not something that should be cultivated or nurtured, no?
Regardless of at P3 or P6, the gifted ones would remain gifted, delaying the selecting process is only served to fulfill certain parents that are hopeful of making their children \"the gifted\" to have more time?[/quote]I guess it's not palatable at whatever age, as long as parents continue to view the programme as a sure-fire path to success in achievement-oriented Singapore.