PSLE 2012 - Results Discussion
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teacher_girl:
Just a heads up!
So that means sec and primary school is the same? Tutors, not teachers help child understand syllabus :faint: I am having my worries about son and whether he can cope with math and science. Die lah, 8-9 subjects.janet_lee88:
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I really wish this is the case. My boy who just finished Sec 1 this year - we had to get him a Math tutor halfway thru the year. And he improved significantly. And when I asked him why, he said he understands his tutor, but he doesn't understand his school teacher even when he approaches the teacher for clarification. And... his school teacher is always \"so busy\". Make appointment and 90% of the time don't turn up or is rushing to go off.
I think will need to get him a Science tutor soon too for Sec 2, so he can understand his school syllabus instead of bungling thru with school teachers.
*sigh*. when I was in sec sch, it was the school tr who helped me improve significantly. Not a tutor that we have to pay extra money to.
Math in sec1 is very similar to primary school.
The problem comes in a lot in sec2 when algebra comes in. .[/quote]haha - then I must have rather stupid children then since at least 2 of my older ones find Sec 1 math difficult enough to fail badly. They do algebra from Term 1 of Sec 1, leh, not from Sec 2. -
History, Geog, literature are related to English…math and science included.
The English teacher who manned the booth at Hillgrove is very experienced and explained what is expected of sec 1s, books to read, components taught.
I hope he will be able to excel in the care of the teachers, if he is successfully posted there. -
Precious2.lee:
Schools should release the stat to parents from all levels and not just to P5 parents. P1 parents need to know too so we can monitor the trend to decide the next course of action. For example, if consecutively for 2 years, quality passes for math is only 40% and this % never improve or worse still, has dropped, parents need to question the school what is the problem?? Is it problem with the P? HOD? Or teachers not strong or not motivated to teach? Or is it poor teaching materials?? Very important to know the root cause and improve. In worst scenario, some parents may also wish to transfer their children out from that school at P3 or P4. This may be a bit extreme but at least, parents knows early that external help is definitely required!!
Maybe they see it coming hence not telling/informing you to save the explanation. -
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haha - then I must have rather stupid children then since at least 2 of my older ones find Sec 1 math difficult enough to fail badly. They do algebra from Term 1 of Sec 1, leh, not from Sec 2.[/quote]>
I'm sure it might just mean your child is weak in math for some areas!
Yes indeed, math algebra is taught in sec1, but it's the basics which is revised from p5 and up with a combination of new things, so it does get slightly confusing.
However in sec2, math is taught with algebra often in most chapters. Quadratic equations, angles, formulas, most of it...
Hope that helps -
teacher_girl:
Well, they didn't understand in school. For my eldest, she continued to fail and then finally passed marginally at end of Sec 2 before we got her a tutor for Sec 3. Within 1 term, she went from marginal pass in sec 2 to A1. After 2 terms, she could handle the math on her own already and no longer used that tutor. That same thing happened to me from Lower Sec to Upper Sec, except that in my time 30+yrs ago, it was my school teacher who did that magic and not an external tutor.
I'm sure it might just mean your child is weak in math for some areas!
Yes indeed, math algebra is taught in sec1, but it's the basics which is revised from p5 and up with a combination of new things, so it does get slightly confusing.
However in sec2, math is taught with algebra often in most chapters. Quadratic equations, angles, formulas, most of it...
Hope that helps
Anyway, for our younger one, when he was having problems in math in Sec 1, we didn't wait until Sec 3 to get him a tutor like his sister, but had him started with one by 2nd half of the sec 1 year. Improvement was significant. *sigh* wonder what's wrong with the teachers in school. His tutor also ex-school teacher wat. Tutor says it's bc in school it's a class of 30-40. In the tuition setting, it's 1-to-1, sure to understand and improve.
Maybe if the school teachers are dedicated enough to provide individual attention to weak students, it would be better. But we've so far only experienced teachers that agree to help, but don't make good the appointments made.
I think school teachers too bogged down by too many commitments., compared to private tutors. -
teacher_girl:
math in sec1 is NOT similar to pri sch math. it is very different. you no longer need models. algebra is already taught at sec 1. a check of sec 1 textbooks will confirm that.Math in sec1 is very similar to primary school.
The problem comes in a lot in sec2 when algebra comes in.
History, geography and literature is very closely linked to English itself.
A typical kid takes about 10 subjects in sec1-2 (not all at same time though) but you really shouldn't worry about tuition teachers, I'm sure there are really good teachers in school. In case that teacher is not available, there are many other teachers of the same subject/department available in that school too. Encourage your child to make friends with good friends so that they can each other too.
an observation of some students i know: some of them were not A* math students at pri school but they excel in secondary school maths. these students caught on to algebra with little problem. but many others who are well versed with modelling and heuristics have problem switching to algebra in sec school.
so an encouragement to those who may not have hit A* or A at PSLE math, you still have plenty of chances to excel in sec sch math. Work hard, practice a lot, be consistent in your work. -
Precious2.lee:
Schools should release the stat to parents from all levels and not just to P5 parents. P1 parents need to know too so we can monitor the trend to decide the next course of action. For example, if consecutively for 2 years, quality passes for math is only 40% and this % never improve or worse still, has dropped, parents need to question the school what is the problem?? Is it problem with the P? HOD? Or teachers not strong or not motivated to teach? Or is it poor teaching materials?? Very important to know the root cause and improve. In worst scenario, some parents may also wish to transfer their children out from that school at P3 or P4. This may be a bit extreme but at least, parents knows early that external help is definitely required!!
judging a school by the percentage of quality passes makes the unfair assumption that students across all schools are similar, e.g. same academic calibre, have access to the same resources, etc. however, the truth is, they are not.
whether we like it or not, it is obvious the educational arena is not a levelled playing ground. -
zeemimi:
You are spot on.Precious2.lee:
Schools should release the stat to parents from all levels and not just to P5 parents. P1 parents need to know too so we can monitor the trend to decide the next course of action. For example, if consecutively for 2 years, quality passes for math is only 40% and this % never improve or worse still, has dropped, parents need to question the school what is the problem?? Is it problem with the P? HOD? Or teachers not strong or not motivated to teach? Or is it poor teaching materials?? Very important to know the root cause and improve. In worst scenario, some parents may also wish to transfer their children out from that school at P3 or P4. This may be a bit extreme but at least, parents knows early that external help is definitely required!!
judging a school by the percentage of quality passes makes the unfair assumption that students across all schools are similar, e.g. same academic calibre, have access to the same resources, etc. however, the truth is, they are not.
whether we like it or not, it is obvious the educational arena is not a levelled playing ground.
And children with mild intellectual disabilities are often enrolled in mainstream primary schools. This is why there are such terms as \"Normal Maths\", \"Normal Science\", etc to tailor to children with mild intellectual abilities in some schools. -
zeemimi:
my neighbour can confirm that sec 1 maths is different from primary school...no longer models.teacher_girl:
A typical kid takes about 10 subjects in sec1-2 (not all at same time though) but you really shouldn't worry about tuition teachers, I'm sure there are really good teachers in school. In case that teacher is not available, there are many other teachers of the same subject/department available in that school too. Encourage your child to make friends with good friends so that they can each other too.
math in sec1 is NOT similar to pri sch math. it is very different. you no longer need models. algebra is already taught at sec 1. a check of sec 1 textbooks will confirm that.
an observation of some students i know: some of them were not A* math students at pri school but they excel in secondary school maths. these students caught on to algebra with little problem. but many others who are well versed with modelling and heuristics have problem switching to algebra in sec school.
so an encouragement to those who may not have hit A* or A at PSLE math, you still have plenty of chances to excel in sec sch math. Work hard, practice a lot, be consistent in your work. -
Dear Parents,
The following web page would further enlighten you on the school selection for the PSLE 2012 cohort.
http://www.acetutors.com.sg/Secondary-School-Ranking-2012-Based-On-PSLE-Intake
For ease of consideration;
1) what's our current standpoint
2) travelling distance (long hours in public transport can be quite tiring especially for full day school curriculum)
3) the child's progression and apptitude in learning
It's a norm for \"learning cultural\" shock to be experienced by kids transiting from Primary to Secondary education, primarily because the learning path changes (or what we termed as going forward to maturity). Just do not be alarmed, be patient, be supportive (what I meant no learning pressure). More tuition doesn't meant higher scores in test and exams. If the body cannot absorb the nutrients, no point feeding it to the bream, it's a waste of time and resources. Just be supportive.
Putting a child whom exhibited a moderate learning aptitude in a challenging environment may create undue stress for he or she. Be open, be clear, be objective, together as a team, Parents n' Child, make a sound assessment and be prepared to receive ... Cheers, All The Best@Poet2010
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