MOE to stop publishing names of top students?

[Melodies]

atutor2001:

Melodies:

Hi atutor2001, could you shed some lights why there are some O level students with very good grades but still can't get in those top JC's ? students with Six A1s and four A2s can't do as well as those existing IP students?

No statistics to back up but just based on some sad cases I came across where kids joined top JC through prelim results (a practice in the past) but have to leave after O level results.

Ranking using O level results is based on L1R5 where L1 is English. Most can get 5 points for R5 easily but not the L1. A grade 2 for L1 means goodbye for top JC because there are many 6 pointers for L1R5.

Next is CCA, Higher Chinese and 3rd Lang. These are what I called \"deductibles\". A 6 pointer for L1R5 may not secure a place if they do not have outstanding deductibles.

Above are purely my personal perception of the situation. Therefore, though 6A1 and 4A2 is a good result, when compared to the entire O level cohort, (especially if the L1 is A2) it may not be good enough for the Top JCs.

It is that competitive at O level. Probably that is why GEP, PSLE is so important to many who wants to secure a place in top JC through IP.

:faint: After PSLE, we are not done with it! Those late boomers can't make it for IP schools, the competition is even steeper @ O levels! :yikes:

Anyone care to share how O level students do as compared to those IP students in A level?

[Melodies]

wonderm:

Melodies:

Are you saying 'The number of vacancies available at these top JCs number in the HUNDREDS EACH for those O level students to get into these top JCs (then, will be thousands vacancies in those top JCs since so many JCs)? You sure? Why so many O level students cried foul every year. some said, they got 0 point for O level still can't get in RI ? huh? :? :? :?

I'm interested to know the situation as I don't have dc who has done O level.

The highlighted-in-red part can't be true, right? The minimun points for 6 subjects before bonus points is 6. Max bonus pts is 4. So lowest possible points is 2. How can anyone possibily get 0 point? and can't get into RI?

I beg your pardon! I typed low.
In the process of typing, I must have highlighted the low and hit 0 by mistake. Just correct it

[Twinkies]

atutor2001:

No statistics to back up but just based on some sad cases I came across where kids joined top JC through prelim results (a practice in the past) but have to leave after O level results.

Ranking using O level results is based on L1R5 where L1 is English. Most can get 5 points for R5 easily but not the L1. A grade 2 for L1 means goodbye for top JC because there are many 6 pointers for L1R5..

For discussion sake,

L1R5 = 6 pts (before deductible) assumming all deductibles are used, at 2 pts, and made it to \"Top JC A\"

L1R5 = 7 pts, after deductibles of 2 or 4 pts, agg. 5 pts or 3 pts, get into \"JC B\"

Would that mean JC B with 3pts 5pts scholars isn't \"Top JC\"?

JC B is creme de la creme in the world's view!

People are stressing to win to be the absolute no. 1 ?

And, the same people go on advocating the MOE to reduce stress, holistic learning, lower the bar, scrap DSA IP GEP? So that there'll be less stressful?

Seriously, are we kidding ourselves?

If JC B is NOT CONSIDERED as a Top JC of Singapore in the mean minds, no amount of changes can take away the pressure and disgruntlement.

A case of looking too much into other's plates ?

Kiasuism is seen as the only fuel to success?

[Melodies]

atutor2001:

jtoh:

I'm well aware of the situation of IP schools. Are you? Do you know the number of vacancies available at each JC for O level intake? The number of vacancies available at these top JCs number in the HUNDREDS EACH, as much as other JCs which have affliated students or who are not IP. In other words, there are plenty of vacancies at these top JCs. You just have to be the best to get in bec all the top O students want in as well.

The figure is no secret. However, you may have reservation to reveal because of .... Anyway, I remembered it is something like 400, 400, 400 for ... About 100 goes to DSA, leaving about 300 for O level results. Correct me if I am wrong.

So the ratio is 1:3 for DSA/IP versus O level students respectively in those top schools.

DSA is <10% of total population
O level is > 90% of total population

>90% population is fighting for 30% vacancies in top schools!

No wonder some think competition for O level students are :yikes: for those top schools and feel that it is unfair for those late boomers because GEPper got in the top schools through DSA and have the immunity for PSLE & O level competitions and called for getting rid of this 'immunity'.

Did I have the whole picture now? Correct me if I got it wrong?

[CayennePepper]

For heaven's sake, why are so many parents fixated on getting into a few JCs?!


Here's a FACT -- more than one in four students from each Primary One cohort obtains a place in one of Singapore’s publicly-funded universities.*

Check out the number of university intakes each year versus the number of students in JCs.

Do the math.

* Refer:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/feedback/2011/committee-on-university-education-pathways-beyond-2015/singapore-university-landscape/

[3Boys]

CayennePepper:

For heaven's sake, why are so many parents fixated on getting into a few JCs?!

Forget facts, fixate on fixation.

[cherryc]

atutor2001:

Ranking using O level results is based on L1R5 where L1 is English. Most can get 5 points for R5 easily but not the L1. A grade 2 for L1 means goodbye for top JC because there are many 6 pointers for L1R5.

It is that competitive at O level. Probably that is why GEP, PSLE is so important to many who wants to secure a place in top JC through IP.

Thanks for sharing ! It makes me shudder as I would not been able to admit to my alma mater if I am born in this era as I would have missed by 1 pt !!

Anyway, O levels English is not that easy to get A1 and to think that the IP students do not need to get into the top JCs with top grade in English (by using DSA or PSLE overall score previously) only doesn't seem to be very fair……..

[CayennePepper]

:skeptical:

[Melodies]

CayennePepper


R u willing to give up the few top JCs and settle with second tier JC?
R u willing to support the idea of competing based on PSLE results for top IP schools?
R u willing to support the idea of getting rid of DSA for GEP domains?
R u willing to support that everyone should compete based on the same ground?

己所不欲，勿施于人

CayennePepper:

For heaven's sake, why are so many parents fixated on getting into a few JCs?!

Here's a FACT -- more than one in four students from each Primary One cohort obtains a place in one of Singapore’s publicly-funded universities.*

Check out the number of university intakes each year versus the number of students in JCs.

Do the math.

* Refer:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/feedback/2011/committee-on-university-education-pathways-beyond-2015/singapore-university-landscape/

[CayennePepper]

Melodies:

CayennePepper


R u willing to give up the few top JCs and settle with second tier JC?
R u willing to support the idea of competing based on PSLE results for top IP schools?

CayennePepper:

For heaven's sake, why are so many parents fixated on getting into a few JCs?!

Here's a FACT -- more than one in four students from each Primary One cohort obtains a place in one of Singapore’s publicly-funded universities.*

Check out the number of university intakes each year versus the number of students in JCs.

Do the math.

* Refer:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/feedback/2011/committee-on-university-education-pathways-beyond-2015/singapore-university-landscape/

CayennePepper actually doesn't care one way or other, believe it or not. :evil:
To her, education is not about competition. And she is confident that her kids will get educated in whichever institution they end up in. Cos, you know, all schools are EQUAL! (or is it GOOD huh).
:rahrah: