MOE to stop publishing names of top students?

[SAHM_TAN]

CayennePepper:

I have a Simple LOT question. Just trying to understand.

If I am from the mainstream and have obtained a CO from a top IP school via the academc domain (smops/olympiads etc), is that considered an unfair advantage?

You forgot to add more infor. Got SAHP. parents or not ? Got tuition/enrichment or not? :rotflmao: :siam:

[concern2]

slmkhoo:

concern2:

Question: If your older child had cried \"not fair\", she has to take so much challenges, while the younger not, and the younger one cries \"not fair\", the older one gets so many 'privileges' while she has to take a longer route, what would you say to them?


I think each and everyone of us would have our own answers.

I think you mixed up the 2? The older one is the one who will be taking the longer, less stressful route.

The younger one has queried the difference, and we have had to tell her that the one who is given more ability should make full use of that ability. We don't really push her, but try to motivate her to push herself. She knows she finds schoolwork easier than her sister, and so far she finds it interesting enough to keep herself going. The older one is just grateful that we aren't pushing her to make the sort of grades that would get her into 'top' schools! She is already working quite hard but still struggles with normal level work, especially maths. She does have a non-schoolwork interest which we try to encourage too.

From the time they were small, even before starting school, we saw the difference, so we have always been careful not to compare them directly. We emphasise that every person in made differently, and we must make the best of what we have without either pride or envy. They have a good relationship, and each is happy when the other achieves their goals, which could be 100% for the younger one and 60% for the older one. So far they haven't accused us of unfairness.

Oh, yeah, thanks for pointing this out. Just trying to view from perspective of what's FAIRNESS up this path of Education and streaming... Just thinking out loud for the sake of it -

FAIRNESS in this context should be about equal opportunities for all if each has the ability to pursue what is available, rather than each one having the SAME things. So in essence, 2 students with equal abilities should have same choices available to them. When resources are limited, perhaps, one cannot afford to give out the same things - it doesn't maximise the use of resources, hence only if one can meet certain criteria, one gets to enjoy those. Like one having more appetite be given more food and to have the same amount of food given to everyone means wasting on those with small appetite. Yes?

Believe it or not, many parents do not want to accept the fact that children's abilities differ. They believe they can do something about it - although it can be true too - many believe that if the kids have the best teachers, the best books, the best this and that, there is no reason why they can't be the best. And the younger they start having the best of everything, the farther they will get ahead of their peers. This may be true, but it is not always the case.

This is what I'm trying to say. Same parents, but children differ in abilities. My own children also differ in abilities. One may not be superior to the other because each have different abilities. They are just different, not necessarily better or worse.

Coming back to the context of education, thus far, it favours those who are academically inclined. If seeing from point of view of parent, it also doesn't make sense to hide the grades of one child from the other just to make the other child less stressful. However, if the parents take similar pride in each child's strength, it would create that sense of EQUALITY that each is value in their own ways. For a start, it would perhaps make the academically weaker child more confident in his own abilities (in whichever field he is good at) and feel he is not disadvantaged because of his academic incompetence. Similarly, perhaps it would not give the academically stronger child the ya-ya feeling that just because he is good academically, he superior in every other way.

Just my thoughts.

[Twinkies]

BeContented:

CayennePepper:

I have a Simple LOT question. Just trying to understand.

If I am from the mainstream and have obtained a CO from a top IP school via the academc domain (smops/olympiads etc), is that considered an unfair advantage?

I can try to answer this
Yes. Cos you have & I dun have.
Yes. ESP if your score did not make it to the COP & I deserve the seat more if my score higher than yours.
:siam:

From what I read so far, I find myself agreeing with BeContented's candid answer  :siam:

[Twinkies]

concern2:

slmkhoo:

[quote=\"concern2\"]Question: If your older child had cried \"not fair\", she has to take so much challenges, while the younger not, and the younger one cries \"not fair\", the older one gets so many 'privileges' while she has to take a longer route, what would you say to them?


I think each and everyone of us would have our own answers.

I think you mixed up the 2? The older one is the one who will be taking the longer, less stressful route.

The younger one has queried the difference, and we have had to tell her that the one who is given more ability should make full use of that ability. We don't really push her, but try to motivate her to push herself. She knows she finds schoolwork easier than her sister, and so far she finds it interesting enough to keep herself going. The older one is just grateful that we aren't pushing her to make the sort of grades that would get her into 'top' schools! She is already working quite hard but still struggles with normal level work, especially maths. She does have a non-schoolwork interest which we try to encourage too.

From the time they were small, even before starting school, we saw the difference, so we have always been careful not to compare them directly. We emphasise that every person in made differently, and we must make the best of what we have without either pride or envy. They have a good relationship, and each is happy when the other achieves their goals, which could be 100% for the younger one and 60% for the older one. So far they haven't accused us of unfairness.

Oh, yeah, thanks for pointing this out. Just trying to view from perspective of what's FAIRNESS up this path of Education and streaming... Just thinking out loud for the sake of it -

FAIRNESS in this context should be about equal opportunities for all if each has the ability to pursue what is available, rather than each one having the SAME things. So in essence, 2 students with equal abilities should have same choices available to them. When resources are limited, perhaps, one cannot afford to give out the same things - it doesn't maximise the use of resources, hence only if one can meet certain criteria, one gets to enjoy those. Like one having more appetite be given more food and to have the same amount of food given to everyone means wasting on those with small appetite. Yes?

Believe it or not, many parents do not want to accept the fact that children's abilities differ. They believe they can do something about it - although it can be true too - many believe that if the kids have the best teachers, the best books, the best this and that, there is no reason why they can't be the best. And the younger they start having the best of everything, the farther they will get ahead of their peers. This may be true, but it is not always the case.

This is what I'm trying to say. Same parents, but children differ in abilities. My own children also differ in abilities. One may not be superior to the other because each have different abilities. They are just different, not necessarily better or worse.

Coming back to the context of education, thus far, it favours those who are academically inclined. If seeing from point of view of parent, it also doesn't make sense to hide the grades of one child from the other just to make the other child less stressful. However, if the parents take similar pride in each child's strength, it would create that sense of EQUALITY that each is value in their own ways. For a start, it would perhaps make the academically weaker child more confident in his own abilities (in whichever field he is good at) and feel he is not disadvantaged because of his academic incompetence. Similarly, perhaps it would not give the academically stronger child the ya-ya feeling that just because he is good academically, he superior in every other way.

Just my thoughts.[/quote]
Well said. :goodpost:

[jtoh]

concern2, well said.

[CayennePepper]

BeContented:

CayennePepper:

I have a Simple LOT question. Just trying to understand.

If I am from the mainstream and have obtained a CO from a top IP school via the academc domain (smops/olympiads etc), is that considered an unfair advantage?

I can try to answer this
Yes. Cos you have & I dun have.
Yes. ESP if your score did not make it to the COP & I deserve the seat more if my score higher than yours.
:siam:

Careful, careful. Lest you get :wrongmove:
:rotflmao:

I suspect, in this thread, if one voices a non-populist opinion, one's POV may be considered INvalid.
Suspect only hor.

[3Boys]

CayennePepper:

I have a Simple LOT question. Just trying to understand.

If I am from the mainstream and have obtained a CO from a top IP school via the academc domain (smops/olympiads etc), is that considered an unfair advantage?

Yes.....

If all one is interested in is whether one's child gets ahead in choosing a secondary school.

No.....

If what one is interested in is life outcomes.

[wonderm]

CayennePepper:

I have a Simple LOT question. Just trying to understand.

If I am from the mainstream and have obtained a CO from a top IP school via the academc domain (smops/olympiads etc), is that considered an unfair advantage?

Hello, this is not Simple LOT, I think it is HOT question hor

The answer is it DEPENDS!

If it is my DC, then it is NOT considered an unfair advantage.

If it is anyone else's DC, then it is DEFINITELY an unfair advantage, regardless how high is his/her actual T-score. Isn't this one of the reasons why govt doesn't dare to publish the top scorers' names? in case we find out all the top scorers have had such unfair advantage.

[3Boys]

concern2:

Believe it or not, many parents do not want to accept the fact that children's abilities differ. They believe they can do something about it - although it can be true too - many believe that if the kids have the best teachers, the best books, the best this and that, there is no reason why they can't be the best. And the younger they start having the best of everything, the farther they will get ahead of their peers. This may be true, but it is not always the case.

Your post is a little self-contradictory, but nonetheless, I agree with the thrust of it.

We all differ in our abilities to play football, our abilities to play the piano, our abilities to paint etc.

There is SOME element of genetic determism in all that we do.

Why would it be different for academic ability?

That is not to say that this is the end with regards to living a successful and fulfilling life. That is the rub of it.

[pirate]

CayennePepper:

I have a Simple LOT question. Just trying to understand.

If I am from the mainstream and have obtained a CO from a top IP school via the academc domain (smops/olympiads etc), is that considered an unfair advantage?

Aiyoyo! I hate HOT questions disguised as a LOT question. Sure trip up all the square people like me... :imdrowning:



Ooops. Pirates dun know difference between plural and singular...