THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HopeandSorrows]

well said!!! :rahrah: :rahrah:

chenwj:

Actually many things in life are \"discriminatory\". It's how u live with it

In their countries, LGBT are able to get married and gain state recognition. But I understand there's are differences between Civil Union and full Marriage in their context and they are pushing for their respective states to recognize a \"Full marriage\".

I think the issue here is about reaching a compromise and testing the limits on how far the society is able to accept diverse views from a seemingly \"minority\" group.

The gay sex law in this context of this discussion is 377A, which prohibits the sex between 2 consenting males. Yes it is discriminatory because sex between 2 consenting males is illegal but sex between 2 consenting females is not. :evil: :evil: So by that argument, gays here are perceived to be criminals due to 377A. I am not supporting the gays because if they argue they are perceived to be criminals due to 377A, then almost the whole of Singapore are criminals because I'm sure majority of Singaporeans regardless of sexual orientations bought pirated DVDs or downloaded movies from the net one way or another. Also, I guess some of us here watch porn with your wife or your husband? Technically we are all criminals. So the issue here is whether do the Police enforce these anti-piracy laws / copyright laws / anti-porn laws / anti-gay sex law. :?

[HopeandSorrows]

actually like a parent here who has pointed out - singles can adopt children. so a gay single can adopt a children if he meets the requirement, and he could stay with his gay partner. nothing wrong legally, but morally, it all depends on the acceptance of the society at that point of time.


what i also worry is that as certain groups become vocal (thanks to the internet), they will start to demand that the society kowtow to their values and ideals!

care to share wat r your concerns?

AC_Power:

I am not against gay-marriages. Gays should have the right to live their own life.

However, I am a little concern of gay partners adopting a kid.

[HopeandSorrows]

agree. respect should go both ways. if i were to respect their gender preference and their lifestyle, i would also hope they would respect our values of being a Mother or a Father. :please:

straffan23:

May I point out one thing, please? IMHO, besides respecting gender and sexual preference of the parents, a very important point to note is that they are trying to free the children from prejudice. Whether it is being prejudiced for having same-sex parents; or unknowingly having prejudice thoughts ingrained into their young minds (i.e. having their yound minds coloured of what is right or wrong). Don't we always maintain that children are the innocent party?

IMHO, sexual orientation is not always a choice. We do not know everyone, so we should not judge everyone based on our ideals. Everyone should have the right to happiness, so long as in doing so they do not inflict any harm on others. We do not need to agree with them. We just need to respect them.

p/s: don't shoot me!

[AC_Power]

HopeandSorrows:

care to share wat r your concerns?

Hmm, worried that the kid might be confused.

At school, when teacher teaches about father and mother, he will be wondering why both his parents are father.

[HopeandSorrows]

This is overboard already... i read the news i shake head...r they too sensitive?


but they are together for 15 years. In a way, i have to salute them. Some straight couples can't even last 1.5 years...
[quote]A gay couple on Friday filed a legal challenge in Singapore’s High Court against a law that criminalises sex between men.

Gary Lim and Kenneth Chee, who have been together for 15 years, are seeking the repeal of the country’s landmark Section 377A of its Penal Code.

In a statement sent to the media, Chee said he did not live in fear of being caught by the police for his relationship with Lim, but said he knows that \"s 377A labels me a criminal\".

Lim added that even though lawmakers have said that the law will not be \"pro-actively\" enforced, the fact that the law exists \"leaves the possibility of 'passive enforcement', should someone decide to make a complaint against us one day\".

Lim and Chee are represented by senior counsel Peter Low, assisted by Choo Zheng Xi and Indulekshmi Rajeswari.

Section 377A of the Penal Code, which is still in force, rules that acts of \"gross indecency\" between two men is punishable, carrying a jail term of up to two years.

A heated debate on the issue began in 2007, when then-Member of Parliament Siew Kum Hong filed a petition to repeal Section 377A, which he cited as discriminatory and a violation of constitutional safeguards on equal rights.

His petition was shot down by then-senior minister for law and home affairs Ho Peng Kee, who said at the time that \"repealing Section 377A will be contentious and may send a wrong signal that the government is encouraging and endorsing the homosexual lifestyle as part of our mainstream way of life\".

In August, Singapore's Court of Appeal overturned a High Court judge's decision to reject the challenge filed in 2010 by 49-year-old Tan Eng Hong, who was caught engaging in fellatio with another man at a shopping centre.

Tan was initially prosecuted under the section, but later had his charges reduced to committing an obscene act in public after his attorney M Ravi questioned the constitutionality of the law.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/gay-couple-files-377a-challenge-in-high-court-114540383.html[/quote]

[HopeandSorrows]

AC_Power:

HopeandSorrows:

care to share wat r your concerns?

Hmm, worried that the kid might be confused.

At school, when teacher teaches about father and mother, he will be wondering why both his parents are father.

:scared: sounds so salah lah!!

[HopeandSorrows]

dear friends ,


i just seen this and i just want to rant!!!

y SDP gay politician who attended gay pink dot have to resort using an impressionable 12 year old boy for his political message???????

I find it unacceptable in every level!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[quote]Dear friends,
I’m sorry I haven’t been able to thank you all personally for the messages of support and encouragement on Facebook following my tongue in cheek status update on Friday. The coming out part wasn’t tongue in cheek but the reference to Fabrications About The PAP was; I hope they won’t be too irritated with me

In truth, I wasn’t intending to ‘come out’. I merely wanted to encourage every LGBT person in Singapore to attend Pink Dot and therefore I had to say why it means so much to me.

So, thank you for your vote of confidence. I have two things I’d like to leave you with: Coming out is not the toughest bit. Well, eventually it becomes easier and easier as more and more people do. The harder thing is to begin and sustain the long and dedicated work that society needs to overcome the oppression that LGBT people experience everyday. And second, the community we are building up through events and organisations are the lifeblood of the work to eventually erase a horrible thought from history, that people, young and old, kill themselves to escape homophobia.

So, I would like to pay tribute to People Like Us, the first LGBT organisation founded more than 20 years ago that the Registrar of Societies continues to refuse to register. I would also like to thank all the current organisations that perform sterling work with LGBT people like Oogachaga, Pelangi Pride Centre, Fridae.com, Indignation, Purple Alliance, Sayoni, Transgender Alliance, Young OUT Here, and others whose names escape me now. And also the organisers of Pink Dot which has done much to put the issue front and centre.

I would also like to honour Alex Au, whose blog, Yawning Bread, has been a key source of information on gay and wider socio-political issues; M Ravi and his team who have worked so hard on the Section 377a constitutional challenge; and Gary and Kenneth and their supporters who are taking the work on the legal front forward.

At Pink Dot, I had the opportunity to meet Theo Chen, an exceptionally talented and engaging 12-year old boy who made a YouTube film to highlight bullying in schools including homophobic bullying. The film has gone viral as it should. You can view it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Vhu_EXa4A.

Theo and all our children are our future. Our work is far from done. But it is nowhere near the starting line. For that, to all those who make dignity and hope their daily work, I would like to offer a humble thank you.

One final thing: A coalition of organisations is carrying out a National LGBT Census to collect data on the LGBT community in Singapore. Its objective is to “understand the current health, housing, family, employment and schooling conditions and needs of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) community in Singapore.” This is an absolutely crucial piece of work because with the data, LGBT organisations can map the demographics and needs of the community; plan their services; advocate to government; channel funds to where they are needed, and target interventions at the most vulnerable. As a social worker, a policy analyst and a politician, I know how important data is to any societal progress. Please take the time to complete the survey. It takes about 20 mins. Go to: http://www.sogiresearch.blogspot.sg/. If you do one thing this year in support of LGBT rights, do this.

Yours in friendship,
Vincent[/quote]http://www.facebook.com/vwijeysingha/posts/10151781869092474

[HopeandSorrows]

tis is so sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/World/Story/A1Story20130703-434274.html

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Australia police investigate surrogate boy abused by dads

SYDNEY--Australian police Wednesday described as “depraved” the case of a 6-year-old boy obtained by his gay male parents via a surrogate mother and then sexually abused by them and others.

Authorities in Australia and the United States worked together to bring to justice the men, who had lived in the north Queensland city of Cairns and presented themselves as loving fathers.

But the baby boy they obtained from a Russian surrogate in 2005 and formally adopted had been offered to others for sexual exploitation from a very young age.

Both men were arrested in California in early 2012 and charged. Last weekend one was jailed in the United States for 40 years while the other is awaiting sentencing.

“None of these cases are very good,” Queensland Detective Inspector Jon Rouse, who heads the task force which investigates online child exploitation and abuse, told AFP.

“What's pretty sad about this one is the way this child came into their lives. It's just really a tragedy. It's extremely depraved.”

It is not known whether the boy was conceived with one of the men's sperm. But he had been living as the couple's son when a chance discovery in New Zealand put police on their track.

Authorities investigating a child sex offender in Wellington had found images of the boy on the man's computer.

The images were not illegal but they raised red flags with Australian police who saw them as “modeling shots.” Further investigations unearthed chat logs between the couple and other child sex offenders.

When police raided the couples' home while they were in the United States, they found enough material on laptops and other devices to ensure their arrest and the boy's removal from their care.

Rouse said police were determined to ensure that all offenders were tracked down.

“We are talking about a fairly extensive network of child sex offenders,” he said.

Speaking to the ABC late Tuesday, he said: “With this network just be rest assured that we will pursue them to the ends of the Earth to make sure each and every one of them faces justice for what their role has been in crimes against this child.”