MOE to stop publishing names of top students?
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CayennePepper:
Phew again.
No, no you won't beSAHM_TAN:
I'm going to be a loner in the forum after I post this.......
I might not make sense here. I think to motivate or inspire a child, it does not start with newspaper articles or how successful someone else is. If a child is not motivated no matter how many motivational stories are thrown at the child, I doubt such stories will have any impact. I don't think the situation of how the child succeed, from poor family background, encountered several setbacks, etc, matters to a child who lacks the drive to achieve.
:snuggles:
I'm going to sound a lot stranger :nailbite: . I don't see why we even need to motivate or inspire a child to achieve. I fail to understand this incessant drive to achieve so-called excellence (do your best, be number one, beat the competitors, get into top schools etc).
I guess it's becos we don't have natural resources. So survival is always at the top of the agenda. -
sinoboy:
I may be wrong but over protective parents may lead to over reliant kids that cling to parents even at older age. Other kinds of depression may be due to lack of communication skills as a result of living in the virtual world of computer and handphones for too long and can't interact properly in the real world. The most common frustration is between those marginally successful academically but not good enough to be a scholar such as a local grad and their scholar management. The non scholars may have to work very hard but may not have the same opportunities that are presented to scholars. As parents do you want your kids to grow up to be scholar or non scholar? If want to be scholar, Which exam to focus on? GEP test or PSLE?pirate:
[quote=\"Laura02\"]But on the other hand, I worry that these students have achieved good grades at the expense of other aspects of development. I would hate to think that these children find that they have reached the pinnical of their \"career\" at 12, then find that its downhill from there. Or that they grow up resentful that they missed out on a childhood because too much time and effort was placed on academic achievements. Or ... I think ... worse, that they grow up, or should I say, grow older, but do not grow up (as in do not emotionally mature). Like, an adult who remains in a lower management position, works very hard and is able to deliver on the technical aspect of the job, but is not able to handle the EQ aspects of higher management. Or an adult who (?touchingly) still counts his/ her mom as a best friend, goes for holidays with their parents only (never with friends), doesn't have friends outside the family circle, doesn't get married, ...
Only children with good grades have this kind of issues meh? :scratchhead:
[/quote]Which parent do not hope for a scholar? So what if I hope badly enough??
Face up to reality, GEP is not for everyone.
Honestly, do kids go round asking their friends if they are from GEP ?
More often than not, it's we the parents who implant all these 'discriminating stuff' into the heads of the innocent kids.
You GEP? DSA? IP? Which top school? Top class? What competition what award? Top-end tuition center? Local or not? Same age or older? Who does it really matter to? Not the kids surely. But eventually the kids are also influenced & stressed by our expectations. :slapshead:
Recently a mommy just shared with me. She knew her gal is super hardworking, very motivated. Always strived for her best. But also always getting sick & unhappy. Eventually the gal confessed to the mother, she was actually satisfied with her results as she had tried her best. But the gal is always in fear & feeling stressed cos she knew her mommy was never satisfied with her results cos she's consistently only within top 10-20 in top class. IMO, I think it's sad. But good that that mommy realised the truth to her daughter's weak health (lack of rest) & unhappiness before their PSLE next year. -
BeContented:
Just wanted to add that parents are not the only source of the 'discrimination', a lot of times the primary schools 'discrimnates' against the weaker students (as someone mentioned before) allocating the best resources to those 'that can do no wrong'. The discrimination continues all the way to A levels. KPI, I suppose, to produce more top students than other schools. But then again kids nowadays matures very fast and information is free flowing. Those from humbler backgrounds may start to face up to the realities of high costs of living here and may seek a class migration by getting a better education and this is when they want to find out if they can bypass or skip levels to gain an advantage. When they are hungry they will start to question. :scared:
Which parent do not hope for a scholar? So what if I hope badly enough??
Face up to reality, GEP is not for everyone.
Honestly, do kids go round asking their friends if they are from GEP ?
More often than not, it's we the parents who implant all these 'discriminating stuff' into the heads of the innocent kids.
You GEP? DSA? IP? Which top school? Top class? What competition what award? Top-end tuition center? Local or not? Same age or older? Who does it really matter to? Not the kids surely. But eventually the kids are also influenced & stressed by our expectations. :slapshead:
Recently a mommy just shared with me. She knew her gal is super hardworking, very motivated. Always strived for her best. But also always getting sick & unhappy. Eventually the gal confessed to the mother, she was actually satisfied with her results as she had tried her best. But the gal is always in fear & feeling stressed cos she knew her mommy was never satisfied with her results cos she's consistently only within top 10-20 in top class. IMO, I think it's sad. But good that that mommy realised the truth to her daughter's weak health (lack of rest) & unhappiness before their PSLE next year. -
sinoboy:
I am with you too.
I am with both of you. How to motivate children nowadays when they have wealthy parents buying them handphones, smart TVs, laptop, tablets accessing western media promoting drinking, sax and violence, K-pop and brainless dramas, online games, futball and gambling and pawn?
As a nation we do things to make ourselves competitive on the global arena. As a family we do things to make our family name proud. As individuals I feel that the present age kids are spoilt for choice with many different medium entertainment and time wasters to choose from.
I am talking about children in general. Most of our kids have not experienced the hunger. But do those that did experience the hunger have the means to do well given our high cost of living? Futile DSA attempts against goliath competitors cost a bomb to some of these families, and a parent even suggested limited the number of DSA a single child can apply (read somewhere in this forum). :scared: -
ruohoo97:
Things are not so straightforward. I have seen kids from very wealthy families (and I mean REALLY wealthy, old money, \"Dynasty\" type families) with the drive or motivation for academic achievement. Motivation enough to beat PSC scholars to Oxbridge or Ivy League universities. I have also seen kids form really wealthy families have more empathy for the less fortunate and more respect for blue collar workers than kids from some middle class families.
I am with you too.sinoboy:
I am with both of you. How to motivate children nowadays when they have wealthy parents buying them handphones, smart TVs, laptop, tablets accessing western media promoting drinking, sax and violence, K-pop and brainless dramas, online games, futball and gambling and pawn?
As a nation we do things to make ourselves competitive on the global arena. As a family we do things to make our family name proud. As individuals I feel that the present age kids are spoilt for choice with many different medium entertainment and time wasters to choose from.
I am talking about children in general. Most of our kids have not experienced the hunger. But do those that did experience the hunger have the means to do well given our high cost of living? Futile DSA attempts against goliath competitors cost a bomb to some of these families, and a parent even suggested limited the number of DSA a single child can apply (read somewhere in this forum). :scared:
Upbringing does matter. And that is the job of us parents.
Not all \"time wasters\" are time wasters. Some computer games may be time wasters when played by a teenager. But would actually stimulate intellectual development and HOT when played by younger kids. Angry Birds, for example, is a good opportunity to introduce youngsters to physics. Plants v Zombies lays the foundation for teaching youngsters about saving (!), investments (!!) and opportunity costs (!!!) - they have to save up sunlight, decide whether to spend the sunlight on sunflowers (which is like an investment because it speeds up the generation of sunlight) or in other plants like peashooters which are necessary to shoot the zombies. And then they have to decide where to plant the plants for maximum effect.
The key is in moderation and directing them to the entertainment that actually does them some good. Again, that is the job of parents. -
Aiyoh. You're a goodie type pirate issit? Not those ugly yellow toothed steal from people kind? I also believe in upbringing does matter. Too much of anything (including ksp-ing hor!) is bad, so moderation is key. The biggest key actually because life can be good if we are less anal abt the nitty gritties. Besides... one of our forummer's surgeon hubby clarified that gaming is fantastic for eye-hand coordination and that quick steady moves are crucial in op theatre. No kidding! C'mon now, this way we can complain less that children don't get to enjoy childhood.
Study hard, play hard. If they study harder then lagi must play harder to destress.
The part about success stories and inspiration....
While the part about some children just not getting it can be true, it doesn't mean we should just stop sharing about these true life encounters do we? They may not be mature to understand it now hence may not appreciate and so it fails to inspire them to do better. It's ok. As parents, we can share as many things about the ways of the world.. about life's riches and rags.. about successes and failures. It's ok to share right? Not necessarily must get anything out of it aye? Can treat it like a good to know kinda thing.
We are not a well to do family. My children know hardship because we've been there. I've been there myself growing up. Likewise for hubs. My pocket money for school since forever has been only 50 cents. My Daddie was the sole breadwinner. Not highly educated but an extremely thrifty man and back then i also thought he was too much of-an-annoyingly-practical man. But now i know why. :love:
Myself and hubs worked when we were still schooling. Explains why we weren't scholars as survival was more important to us. How our families could cope better, depended on us. For hubs... his family's survival depended on him. But what we lack in papers, we more than made up for it with sheer hard work. We are both not so much academic-oriented peeps but we did better than some of our peers. While today, perhaps we may think we could have done better if we pushed ourselves... we know we tried our best the way we knew how... and we had the best times of our lives for our childhood was extremely colourful and carefree.
We had peer pressure. Yah! Even back then right? Hubs and i... We smoked. We played truant. Got into fights. Stayed late-night outs with friends.. Sigh... those were the days huh? No regrets. Now, we are empowered for we can see it coming before our kids do but we let them come to us first. :evil: Because we were not too sheltered, we survived the harsh realities of the world. Saw the downs but hey, came back up. We hope not to over-protect our children so they get to see/experience some sides of the world we did.
I also used to volunteer. I volunteered when i could while i was still working up till the time i had chubs... my #3. My children would want to follow on and off. I never asked them to. But i let them come too if they wanted to. They enjoy helping other children like themselves in ways they could. They value the fact that they can make a difference in the lives of others in need. They also enjoy knowing the people we helped have achieved greater heights either in getting back with their families.. doing well in school.. staying out of trouble.. (etc) when we get in touch with them.
Compassion for others comes from within, likewise for motivation to succeed regardless of what background we or our children come from. If these traits are within the child, half the battle is won. Lucky for us. If not, no biggie. We still share. It is good to know there are other kinds of families other than ours... the one that we live in. In so, we learn to appreciate what we have or work harder for the things we ermmm yet to have. Children are motivated by varying ways. Some are motivated by success stories. I'm not sure all of mine are but i pray they can find success (by their own definition of it) in their own ways and be happy.
This year's sudden info blackout (no published names of PSLE toppers) has resulted in some sort of a withdrawal for most i know (not sure where their children fare.. not sure how to select schools effectively.. etc) and also for me because i love to share the joys of other parents even if i don't know them personally of how they or their children have travelled the psle journey together. I am also inspired when i hear of families with stay home parents like myself who have children who excelled and how they did it. I hope to find confidence that i too *gulp* can do it. :nailbite: I love to learn from the success of others on how i could perhaps be a better parent for my children and if they want to, my children too can look upon the success stories of other children as inspiration. Because everyday is a learning journey, hence i am still learning.
Which is why i am still a member of KiasuParents.com.
So, publish these names i say! We can all celebrate the successes of our children, our future generation and all in the name of meritocracy. These are children who can.. who tried.. who scored! Why must we hush until liddat like somebody died and worse like must guess WHO died?! Aiyoh!
For the love of God, after a few hundred days of waking up so darn early (my girls rise before the rooster crows! to rush for transport) and coming home in the evenings only to still have homework to do!...... I think the children at least deserve this. My girls were puzzled too... why cannot say. Is it supposed to be a secret? :rotflmao: I shared that the minister supposedly shared it is to reduce stress from this supposedly bad exam with the four letter that children have to take at 12 years young. DD2 replied. \"Stress?\" \"Who is stressed about the scores? You mean the minister?\"
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: -
buds:
Aiyoh. You're a goodie type pirate issit? Not those ugly yellow toothed steal from people kind? I also believe in upbringing does matter. Too much of anything (including ksp-ing hor!) is bad, so moderation is key. The biggest key actually because life can be good if we are less anal abt the nitty gritties. Besides... one of our forummer's surgeon hubby clarified that gaming is fantastic for eye-hand coordination and that quick steady moves are crucial in op theatre. No kidding! C'mon now, this way we can complain less that children don't get to enjoy childhood.
Study hard, play hard. If they study harder then lagi must play harder to destress.
The part about success stories and inspiration....
While the part about some children just not getting it can be true, it doesn't mean we should just stop sharing about these true life encounters do we? They may not be mature to understand it now hence may not appreciate and so it fails to inspire them to do better. It's ok. As parents, we can share as many things about the ways of the world.. about life's riches and rags.. about successes and failures. It's ok to share right? Not necessarily must get anything out of it aye? Can treat it like a good to know kinda thing.
We are not a well to do family. My children know hardship because we've been there. I've been there myself growing up. Likewise for hubs. My pocket money for school since forever has been only 50 cents. My Daddie was the sole breadwinner. Not highly educated but an extremely thrifty man and back then i also thought he was too much of-an-annoyingly-practical man. But now i know why. :love:
Myself and hubs worked when we were still schooling. Explains why we weren't scholars as survival was more important to us. How our families could cope better, depended on us. For hubs... his family's survival depended on him. But what we lack in papers, we more than made up for it with sheer hard work. We are both not so much academic-oriented peeps but we did better than some of our peers. While today, perhaps we may think we could have done better if we pushed ourselves... we know we tried our best the way we knew how... and we had the best times of our lives for our childhood was extremely colourful and carefree.
We had peer pressure. Yah! Even back then right? Hubs and i... We smoked. We played truant. Got into fights. Stayed late-night outs with friends.. Sigh... those were the days huh? No regrets. Now, we are empowered for we can see it coming before our kids do but we let them come to us first. :evil: Because we were not too sheltered, we survived the harsh realities of the world. Saw the downs but hey, came back up. We hope not to over-protect our children so they get to see/experience some sides of the world we did.
I also used to volunteer. I volunteered when i could while i was still working up till the time i had chubs... my #3. My children would want to follow on and off. I never asked them to. But i let them come too if they wanted to. They enjoy helping other children like themselves in ways they could. They value the fact that they can make a difference in the lives of others in need. They also enjoy knowing the people we helped have achieved greater heights either in getting back with their families.. doing well in school.. staying out of trouble.. (etc) when we get in touch with them.
Compassion for others comes from within, likewise for motivation to succeed regardless of what background we or our children come from. If these traits are within the child, half the battle is won. Lucky for us. If not, no biggie. We still share. It is good to know there are other kinds of families other than ours... the one that we live in. In so, we learn to appreciate what we have or work harder for the things we ermmm yet to have. Children are motivated by varying ways. Some are motivated by success stories. I'm not sure all of mine are but i pray they can find success (by their own definition of it) in their own ways and be happy.
This year's sudden info blackout (no published names of PSLE toppers) has resulted in some sort of a withdrawal for most i know (not sure where their children fare.. not sure how to select schools effectively.. etc) and also for me because i love to share the joys of other parents even if i don't know them personally of how they or their children have travelled the psle journey together. I am also inspired when i hear of families with stay home parents like myself who have children who excelled and how they did it. I hope to find confidence that i too *gulp* can do it. :nailbite: I love to learn from the success of others on how i could perhaps be a better parent for my children and if they want to, my children too can look upon the success stories of other children as inspiration. Because everyday is a learning journey, hence i am still learning.
Which is why i am still a member of KiasuParents.com.
So, publish these names i say! We can all celebrate the successes of our children, our future generation and all in the name of meritocracy. These are children who can.. who tried.. who scored! Why must we hush until liddat like somebody died and worse like must guess WHO died?! Aiyoh!
For the love of God, after a few hundred days of waking up so darn early (my girls rise before the rooster crows! to rush for transport) and coming home in the evenings only to still have homework to do!...... I think the children at least deserve this. My girls were puzzled too... why cannot say. Is it supposed to be a secret? :rotflmao: I shared that the minister supposedly shared it is to reduce stress from this supposedly bad exam with the four letter that children have to take at 12 years young. DD2 replied. \"Stress?\" \"Who is stressed about the scores? You mean the minister?\"
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: -
Maybe the minister is stressed abt the T-score. :evil:
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buds:
:goodpost:Aiyoh. You're a goodie type pirate issit? Not those ugly yellow toothed steal from people kind? I also believe in upbringing does matter. Too much of anything (including ksp-ing hor!) is bad, so moderation is key. The biggest key actually because life can be good if we are less anal abt the nitty gritties. Besides... one of our forummer's surgeon hubby clarified that gaming is fantastic for eye-hand coordination and that quick steady moves are crucial in op theatre. No kidding! C'mon now, this way we can complain less that children don't get to enjoy childhood.
Study hard, play hard. If they study harder then lagi must play harder to destress.
The part about success stories and inspiration....
While the part about some children just not getting it can be true, it doesn't mean we should just stop sharing about these true life encounters do we? They may not be mature to understand it now hence may not appreciate and so it fails to inspire them to do better. It's ok. As parents, we can share as many things about the ways of the world.. about life's riches and rags.. about successes and failures. It's ok to share right? Not necessarily must get anything out of it aye? Can treat it like a good to know kinda thing.
We are not a well to do family. My children know hardship because we've been there. I've been there myself growing up. Likewise for hubs. My pocket money for school since forever has been only 50 cents. My Daddie was the sole breadwinner. Not highly educated but an extremely thrifty man and back then i also thought he was too much of-an-annoyingly-practical man. But now i know why. :love:
Myself and hubs worked when we were still schooling. Explains why we weren't scholars as survival was more important to us. How our families could cope better, depended on us. For hubs... his family's survival depended on him. But what we lack in papers, we more than made up for it with sheer hard work. We are both not so much academic-oriented peeps but we did better than some of our peers. While today, perhaps we may think we could have done better if we pushed ourselves... we know we tried our best the way we knew how... and we had the best times of our lives for our childhood was extremely colourful and carefree.
We had peer pressure. Yah! Even back then right? Hubs and i... We smoked. We played truant. Got into fights. Stayed late-night outs with friends.. Sigh... those were the days huh? No regrets. Now, we are empowered for we can see it coming before our kids do but we let them come to us first. :evil: Because we were not too sheltered, we survived the harsh realities of the world. Saw the downs but hey, came back up. We hope not to over-protect our children so they get to see/experience some sides of the world we did.
I also used to volunteer. I volunteered when i could while i was still working up till the time i had chubs... my #3. My children would want to follow on and off. I never asked them to. But i let them come too if they wanted to. They enjoy helping other children like themselves in ways they could. They value the fact that they can make a difference in the lives of others in need. They also enjoy knowing the people we helped have achieved greater heights either in getting back with their families.. doing well in school.. staying out of trouble.. (etc) when we get in touch with them.
Compassion for others comes from within, likewise for motivation to succeed regardless of what background we or our children come from. If these traits are within the child, half the battle is won. Lucky for us. If not, no biggie. We still share. It is good to know there are other kinds of families other than ours... the one that we live in. In so, we learn to appreciate what we have or work harder for the things we ermmm yet to have. Children are motivated by varying ways. Some are motivated by success stories. I'm not sure all of mine are but i pray they can find success (by their own definition of it) in their own ways and be happy.
This year's sudden info blackout (no published names of PSLE toppers) has resulted in some sort of a withdrawal for most i know (not sure where their children fare.. not sure how to select schools effectively.. etc) and also for me because i love to share the joys of other parents even if i don't know them personally of how they or their children have travelled the psle journey together. I am also inspired when i hear of families with stay home parents like myself who have children who excelled and how they did it. I hope to find confidence that i too *gulp* can do it. :nailbite: I love to learn from the success of others on how i could perhaps be a better parent for my children and if they want to, my children too can look upon the success stories of other children as inspiration. Because everyday is a learning journey, hence i am still learning.
Which is why i am still a member of KiasuParents.com.
So, publish these names i say! We can all celebrate the successes of our children, our future generation and all in the name of meritocracy. These are children who can.. who tried.. who scored! Why must we hush until liddat like somebody died and worse like must guess WHO died?! Aiyoh!
For the love of God, after a few hundred days of waking up so darn early (my girls rise before the rooster crows! to rush for transport) and coming home in the evenings only to still have homework to do!...... I think the children at least deserve this. My girls were puzzled too... why cannot say. Is it supposed to be a secret? :rotflmao: I shared that the minister supposedly shared it is to reduce stress from this supposedly bad exam with the four letter that children have to take at 12 years young. DD2 replied. \"Stress?\" \"Who is stressed about the scores? You mean the minister?\"
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: -
buds:
power post!
So, publish these names i say! We can all celebrate the successes of our children, our future generation and all in the name of meritocracy. These are children who can.. who tried.. who scored! Why must we hush until liddat like somebody died and worse like must guess WHO died?! Aiyoh!
For the love of God, after a few hundred days of waking up so darn early (my girls rise before the rooster crows! to rush for transport) and coming home in the evenings only to still have homework to do!...... I think the children at least deserve this. My girls were puzzled too... why cannot say. Is it supposed to be a secret? :rotflmao: I shared that the minister supposedly shared it is to reduce stress from this supposedly bad exam with the four letter that children have to take at 12 years young. DD2 replied. \"Stress?\" \"Who is stressed about the scores? You mean the minister?\"
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: psle scores for top students now like under official secrets act!
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