200 SMRT bus drivers refuse to go to work over pay issue
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3Boys:
And your solution would be?
Ya - THIS IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO. Like it or not, it is a monopoly - if you don't like it, go get a car (and bear with the COEconcern2:
[quote=\"limlim\"]
opportunist..
good excuse for them to raise fares... yet again..
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If cost of operations rise, then who bears the rise in costs? Its either fares or taxes, and I am ok with both, but don't turn a blind eye and imagine some magic can occur.[/quote]Why do you need my solution? Isn't this the best they can do? Shouldn't I accept that it is the best they can do? Is it WRONG to accept that this is the best they can do? -
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:xedfingers:
[quote]Dear friends,
The following is a heartfelt letter by an ordinary Singaporean to Minister Tan Chuan Jin which was cc to me. It bears reading:
Dear Mr Tan,
I was very impressed by your composure during GE 2011, and I was in fact rather disappointed when I learnt that you were not made a full minister in your first term, unlike some of the other new candidates. But over the past few days, I have a change of heart, because I completely disagreed with your stance on the bus strike incident.
\"Taking the law into your own hands is wrong\".
But isn't it also wrong to retain, and worse, practise repressive laws that have been introduced in our Constitution over the years?
\"...regardless of their grievances, what the workers have done is illegal.\"
What the workers did was illegal, but didn't they do the right thing by speaking up for their own kind? If not for their courage, would SMRT have paid immediate attention to their living conditions? Would its CEO have made a personal visit to their dorms? Would you, and the rest of Singapore, even have come to know about the drivers' plight - that they don't even get to sleep in a rats-free, bugs-free environment after a hard day's work?
If \"we have zero tolerance for\" their \"unlawful action\", then why do we such high tolerance towards corporate mismanagement and workers' exploitation?
We all very well know that what is legal may not be right and what is illegal may not be wrong. The Constitution is written by the powerful in this country, and time and again, we see that it's also written to prolong the power of the powerful, and to reduce the power of the powerless.
You said the workers have to be \"dealt with in accordance with the the law\". Yes, you are dealing with them in accordance with the letter of the law, but your actions are completely at odds with the spirit of the law.
The legal instrument, first and foremost, should protect the interest of the most vulnerable, and not the most powerful in our society.
\"This illegal strike is not acceptable\", but using such hard-hitting approach against a group that's fighting for their basic rights is equally unwarranted.
The 'leaders' have now already been charged, remanded, and are likely to be fined, jailed, dismissed and banished. It cannot be undone by now. But I hope you can re-assess the merit of your approach.
Yes, it makes sense to send a stern warning to the community of transient workers here, to make it clear that going on strike will do them no good, so that we won't suffer any inconvenience as a result of disruption of essential services, so that foreign investors will not run away with their money. (It's an extremely outdated rhetoric, but yes, you used it once again, just like your predecessors.)
But this episode is also another clear signal to Singaporeans that the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. So suck it up when you're subjected to unfair treatment. If you're not a victim, don't even contemplate doing anything more than being a silent witness to injustices.
After all, doing the right thing will do you no good.[/quote]a letter i read from my FB -
raysusan:
Dear friends,
The following is a heartfelt letter by an ordinary Singaporean to Minister Tan Chuan Jin which was cc to me. It bears reading:
Dear Mr Tan,
I was very impressed by your composure during GE 2011, and I was in fact rather disappointed when I learnt that you were not made a full minister in your first term, unlike some of the other new candidates. But over the past few days, I have a change of heart, because I completely disagreed with your stance on the bus strike incident.
\"Taking the law into your own hands is wrong\".
But isn't it also wrong to retain, and worse, practise repressive laws that have been introduced in our Constitution over the years?
\"...regardless of their grievances, what the workers have done is illegal.\"
What the workers did was illegal, but didn't they do the right thing by speaking up for their own kind? If not for their courage, would SMRT have paid immediate attention to their living conditions? Would its CEO have made a personal visit to their dorms? Would you, and the rest of Singapore, even have come to know about the drivers' plight - that they don't even get to sleep in a rats-free, bugs-free environment after a hard day's work?
If \"we have zero tolerance for\" their \"unlawful action\", then why do we such high tolerance towards corporate mismanagement and workers' exploitation?
We all very well know that what is legal may not be right and what is illegal may not be wrong. The Constitution is written by the powerful in this country, and time and again, we see that it's also written to prolong the power of the powerful, and to reduce the power of the powerless.
You said the workers have to be \"dealt with in accordance with the the law\". Yes, you are dealing with them in accordance with the letter of the law, but your actions are completely at odds with the spirit of the law.
The legal instrument, first and foremost, should protect the interest of the most vulnerable, and not the most powerful in our society.
\"This illegal strike is not acceptable\", but using such hard-hitting approach against a group that's fighting for their basic rights is equally unwarranted.
The 'leaders' have now already been charged, remanded, and are likely to be fined, jailed, dismissed and banished. It cannot be undone by now. But I hope you can re-assess the merit of your approach.
Yes, it makes sense to send a stern warning to the community of transient workers here, to make it clear that going on strike will do them no good, so that we won't suffer any inconvenience as a result of disruption of essential services, so that foreign investors will not run away with their money. (It's an extremely outdated rhetoric, but yes, you used it once again, just like your predecessors.)
But this episode is also another clear signal to Singaporeans that the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. So suck it up when you're subjected to unfair treatment. If you're not a victim, don't even contemplate doing anything more than being a silent witness to injustices.
After all, doing the right thing will do you no good.
Hence the conundrum right?
I too feel that the treatment of the drivers was harsh.
But just look at the number of people baying for the blood of the Chinese drivers, even in this forum. If they didn't act? Guess what, they'll get hammered too.
Once we have driven out all the foreigners, we'll just start eating each other (Oops! We've already started!)
Singaporeans are turning into a nasty bunch. -
concern2:
Why do you need my solution? Isn't this the best they can do? Shouldn't I accept that it is the best they can do? Is it WRONG to accept that this is the best they can do?[/quote]Whatever...
And your solution would be?3Boys:
[quote=\"concern2\"]
Ya - THIS IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO. Like it or not, it is a monopoly - if you don't like it, go get a car (and bear with the COE )
If cost of operations rise, then who bears the rise in costs? Its either fares or taxes, and I am ok with both, but don't turn a blind eye and imagine some magic can occur. -
3Boys:
WHY do the worker protest?
And your solution would be?
If cost of operations rise, then who bears the rise in costs? Its either fares or taxes, and I am ok with both, but don't turn a blind eye and imagine some magic can occur.
It is bcoz of perceived UNFAIR salaries between different nationalities, and also unsatisfactory living conditions.
The company should make the base salaries the same, and deduct whatever costs like accommodation etc.. and make it transparency..
I don't see why would this directly translate into higher costs?
And who is talking about pay rise etc..? incompetent leader are again digging up the wrong place and totally missed the key point..
To me, they are just making excuse to up the fares yet again.. to increase profits.. using the strike as cover.. -
Mainland people are brought up using ‘strike’ if problems cannot be solve. Because in china, the employer don’t even care about their welfare. Their social problem become SG problem? cannot like that lah…they are the one who should be following our customs.
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raysusan:
How about from the FAT and obese bonuses and paychecks of INCOMPETENT CEOs and directors..
:xedfingers:
What was the bonus of that expired CEO whose leadership resulted in massive service disruption of the MRT? millions? What is their CORE obligations and responsibilities as a transport operator?
WHY privatize?
WHY not nationalized public transport? -
3Boys:
Solutions are there:
And your solution would be?concern2:
Ya - THIS IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO. Like it or not, it is a monopoly - if you don't like it, go get a car (and bear with the COE )
If cost of operations rise, then who bears the rise in costs? Its either fares or taxes, and I am ok with both, but don't turn a blind eye and imagine some magic can occur.
1/ make public transport public again. No loss is the target, not the profit
2/ subsidy public transport using the COE money. Reasonable. -
Cheval:
Interesting propositions. Worthy of thought.
Solutions are there:
1/ make public transport public again. No loss is the target, not the profit
2/ subsidy public transport using the COE money. Reasonable. -
How much CEO’s pay per month? $100,000? or more than that?
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