TC’s computer & financial system

[limlim]

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/pap-tc%92s-computer-financial-system-sold-leased-back-%242-company-4026351.html


Any comments from the more well-informed members of KSP?

All opinions are welcomed.

[concern2]

Not any more better informed than the MP-LO case, nor if there will be any by-election.

[limlim]

Actually, by "more informed" I meant if any members will comment that the article lacked credibility? the information not truth or stuff like that?


Or like the foreign labour issues some members may come in and share the other side of the story for us to make better judgement.

My personal opinion is that this is serious conflicts of interest concerns in the running of the operations… But I do not want to pass judgement too soon and maybe more members can comment and provide inputs?

For e.g. when we talked about the influx of FT etc… at least some members can share the employer side… even if there is debates etc… at least got a wider perspective and a bigger picture for benefit of all.

[concern2]

limlim:

Actually, by \"more informed\" I meant if any members will comment that the article lacked credibility? the information not truth or stuff like that?

This is from Asia One:

WP, computer firm argue over lease
(Source: http://www.asiaone.com/print/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20121218-390314.html)

Ms Sylvia Lim had said it received notice from AIM that the systems' lease would be terminated on Aug 1, owing to \"material changes\" in the town council's membership. -ST
Tessa Wong

Thu, Dec 20, 2012
The Straits Times

SINGAPORE - A disagreement has broken out between the Aljunied-Hougang Town Council (AHTC), run by the Workers' Party, and a company that had leased computer and financial systems to the council.

Action Information Management (AIM) said it would have continued to extend the lease of the systems to the town council if WP had asked for it.

But AHTC chairman Sylvia Lim said last night that it had not been told further extensions were negotiable.

The disagreement follows remarks Ms Lim made last week when she blamed AIM for contributing to her town council's poor showing in the collection of arrears for service and conservancy charges (S&CC).

AHTC scored the lowest banding for this aspect of its work in the latest review of town council management. It also received no banding for corporate governance because it had not submitted its auditor's management letter in time.

The WP took over the running of the AHTC after it won Aljunied GRC in last year's May general election.

Ms Lim had said it received notice from AIM that the systems' lease would be terminated on Aug 1, owing to \"material changes\" in the town council's membership.

As a result, her council had to develop its own systems, causing delays in the audit and collection of S&CC arrears, she added.

But yesterday, AIM's chairman S. Chandra Das said in a letter to The Straits Times: \"If AHTC had asked for a longer extension, AIM would have similarly agreed. However, after the second extension, AHTC did not ask for further extension.\"

The first extension was until Aug 31 and the next, until Sept 9, added Mr Chandra Das.

Last night, Ms Lim said the first extension was achieved through an intermediary, who said the extra month had to be \"fought for.\"

She said: \"We were certainly not given to understand that there could be any extension after this.\"

Ms Lim declined to name the intermediary but added: \"It's someone who I think also knows the people involved.\"

The second extension was given to managing agent CPG Facilities, which worked for the previous PAP administration of the town council. Its staff had sought the extension to audit some of its processes, she said.

Ms Lim also raised the issue of the systems' ownership, asking why the 14 PAP town councils, which had developed them, had transferred the ownership to a third party.

AIM became the new owners in January last year and its three directors are former PAP MPs: Mr Chandra Das, Mr Chew Heng Ching and Mr Lau Ping Sum.

She also questioned AIM's contract with town councils, as it allows the company \"to issue a one-month termination notice should there be a material change to the composition of the town council.\"

She said: \"How is it in the public interest to have such a thing?\"

Asked if she was saying that the move was politically motivated, Ms Lim said: \"I'm asking why the agreement was structured this way and why the PAP town councils relinquished ownership of the systems.\"

Attempts to contact AIM last night were unsuccessful.
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[concern2]

Perhaps this is what \"5 years to repent\" means.


By-election, if come in 2013, means Punggol East Residents only have 3 years to repent...got discount.. :evil:

[limlim]

Thanks for the link..

concern2:

This is from Asia One:

WP, computer firm argue over lease
(Source: http://www.asiaone.com/print/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20121218-390314.html)

Ms Lim also raised the issue of the systems' ownership, asking why the 14 PAP town councils, which had developed them, had transferred the ownership to a third party.

AIM became the new owners in January last year and its three directors are former PAP MPs: Mr Chandra Das, Mr Chew Heng Ching and Mr Lau Ping Sum.

Maybe CPIB should look into this?

Why a system developed using public funds can be anyhow have ownership transferred to a private entity? Did they pay for it?

[concern2]

limlim:

Maybe CPIB should look into this?

CPIB have major recruitment ..?

[Nebbermind]

Actually, if the software is developed and customised to the TC needs, and funded by money from the TCs, the IP rights may belong to the developer but the TC should be granted perpetual licence rights. This rights should not be pass on to any third parties as the residents had paid not just for its use but also for it development.


Those who had been involved in garmen software project would be aware that they always have this part covered in their contracts so they donch have to be held hostage by vendors asking for ridiculous annual licence fee for software fully funded by them. TC should be equally careful as it’s still the same people. If there is a loophole in this contract, then someone could have doze off while drafting it.

[concern2]

Nebbermind:

If there is a loophole in this contract, then someone could have doze off while drafting it.

Someone ought to give him a slap to wake him up.

[raysusan]

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/12/what-has-aljunied-hougang-tcs-it-system-got-to-do-with-changi-airport/


Will we see more to come ?

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/town-council-spat-puts-spotlight-on-pap-042316314.html


So will our msm report this..? I will say never
Damn dirty