GEP Preparatory Program
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nansk:
Smart move
No, thanks. I don't come online to rant.FQW:
Agree, let's go back to the ranting thread for the unfairness of GEP discussion. It's more happening there.
I stayed out of thisthread when all the ugliness started, only returning after the 'spring cleaning'. And now that I see that the same poster has returned under a new name, it is only a matter of time before the ugliness starts in thatthread. I'm staying out of it....
Looks like it gonna start soon......in that thread. :roll:
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Nebbermind:
I do somehow agree with this. But I think the diversity is still not ideally wide enough for the really top schools without affiliation.
With regard to the lowering of entry scores, isn't that the beauty of dsa and affiliation is providing?
With these, the schools actually have a wider band of students, instead of the cohort being too polarised if posting is purely thru S1
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sunflower:
Agree too.
I do somehow agree with this. But I think the diversity is still not ideally wide enough for the really top schools without affiliation.Nebbermind:
With regard to the lowering of entry scores, isn't that the beauty of dsa and affiliation is providing?
With these, the schools actually have a wider band of students, instead of the cohort being too polarised if posting is purely thru S1 -
CayennePepper:
Because exams are standardised across all 9 GE centres for p4,5,6.
After reading various opinions on this matter, I side with the view that the non-requirement of GAT for GEPpers is unfair.nansk:
[quote=\"metz\"]DSA, as I mentioned, is beneifitting not only GEP kids but also Mainstream bright kids. If DSA is one of her discontentments on GEP, then I'm of the view she is not presenting a fair opinion, since there are mainstream kids who benefitted from DSA.
But if DSA is indeed benefitting only GEP kids regardless of their performance, I am of the view that it should be scrapped or modified.
As I understand, mainstream students have to submit their P5, P6 results (and, for some schools, P4 results too). Analogous to that is that GEPpers have to maintain an average 80% achievement.
So both groups of students have to demonstrate a consistently high academic achievement. Then why do the secondary schools require the mainstream applicants to sit for the GAT and not the GEP applicants?
But mainstream exams in schools are not (except for p6 prelims in SHHK schools).
There is no apple to apple comparison.
We've all seen top school exam papers right? :rotflmao:[/quote]I'll venture a guess at this : attainment of GAT is a condition for funding by MOE....GEP students have already fulfilled this condition in the
P3 exam....thats why some schools still require the test even when internal transfer from express to ip at year 3..... -
Every year there are thousands of pupils applying for DSA thru academic route, GAT or HAST is the quickest way to sieve through; otherwise the selection tests and paper marking would be too tedious and end up like taking another PSLE. Until another better test format being developed or the scrapping of DSA, aptitude test like GAT and HAST is still the most productive way.
By the way, for the late bloomers that missed the P3 GEP test, DSA’s GAT/HAST is another opportunity. -
Thought I ever read somewhere that exemption from gat is only for those who scored > 80% for the SA?
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CayennePepper:
Because exams are standardised across all 9 GE centres for p4,5,6.nansk:
After reading various opinions on this matter, I side with the view that the non-requirement of GAT for GEPpers is unfair.
As I understand, mainstream students have to submit their P5, P6 results (and, for some schools, P4 results too). Analogous to that is that GEPpers have to maintain an average 80% achievement.
So both groups of students have to demonstrate a consistently high academic achievement. Then why do the secondary schools require the mainstream applicants to sit for the GAT and not the GEP applicants?
But mainstream exams in schools are not (except for p6 prelims in SHHK schools).
There is no apple to apple comparison.
We've all seen top school exam papers right? :rotflmao:Babylissa:
Hmm…let’s see… Given the varying standards across primary school exams while GEP exams are set by MOE and standardised across the 9 schools, does it mean that those GEP students who cannot maintain at least 80% MIGHT not be naturally gifted or were hot-housed into GEP? So these students got to take GAT again, together with the mainstream students to “double confirm” their giftedness/academic ability during P6 DSA?Every year there are thousands of pupils applying for DSA thru academic route, GAT or HAST is the quickest way to sieve through; otherwise the selection tests and paper marking would be too tedious and end up like taking another PSLE. Until another better test format being developed or the scrapping of DSA, aptitude test like GAT and HAST is still the most productive way.
By the way, for the late bloomers that missed the P3 GEP test, DSA's GAT/HAST is another opportunity.
Those who were able to maintain 80% are assumed to be able to do well enough for PSLE (since both PSLE and GEP exams from P4 - P6 are standardised and set by MOE). Well, perhaps some who scored lower than expected in PSLE might have immense interests in Maths and Science and very strong in these subjects, but not in the languages, so chose to go NUS High via DSA?
And it does make sense that late bloomers who are academically inclined are given a second chance to have a shot at GAT in P6 during academic DSA. -
sunflower:
Not all ip schools have this exemption and I believe those with such exemption were originally sec school with the sbgp, which is actually an extension of the gep into sec school.l
Hmm…let’s see… Given the varying standards across primary school exams while GEP exams are set by MOE and standardised across the 9 schools, does it mean that those GEP students who cannot maintain at least 80% MIGHT not be naturally gifted or were hot-housed into GEP? So these students got to take GAT again, together with the mainstream students to “double confirm” their giftedness/academic ability during P6 DSA?
Those who were able to maintain 80% are assumed to be able to do well enough for PSLE (since both PSLE and GEP exams from P4 - P6 are standardised and set by MOE). Well, perhaps some who scored lower than expected in PSLE might have immense interests in Maths and Science and very strong in these subjects, but not in the languages, so chose to go NUS High via DSA?
And it does make sense that late bloomers who are academically inclined are given a second chance to have a shot at GAT in P6 during academic DSA. -
Nebbermind:
Actually the process varies from school to school. I recall sji dont need gat test, be it gep or mainstream. I suspect gat serves as a useful first round cut for the schools as some schools receives a large number of applicants.....
Not all ip schools have this exemption and I believe those with such exemption were originally sec school with the sbgp, which is actually an extension of the gep into sec school.sunflower:
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Hmm…let’s see… Given the varying standards across primary school exams while GEP exams are set by MOE and standardised across the 9 schools, does it mean that those GEP students who cannot maintain at least 80% MIGHT not be naturally gifted or were hot-housed into GEP? So these students got to take GAT again, together with the mainstream students to “double confirm” their giftedness/academic ability during P6 DSA?
Those who were able to maintain 80% are assumed to be able to do well enough for PSLE (since both PSLE and GEP exams from P4 - P6 are standardised and set by MOE). Well, perhaps some who scored lower than expected in PSLE might have immense interests in Maths and Science and very strong in these subjects, but not in the languages, so chose to go NUS High via DSA?
And it does make sense that late bloomers who are academically inclined are given a second chance to have a shot at GAT in P6 during academic DSA. -
Dreamgear:
Actually the process varies from school to school. I recall sji dont need gat test, be it gep or mainstream. I suspect gat serves as a useful first round cut for the schools as some schools receives a large number of applicants.....[/quote]OIC, thanks for clarifying. But I guess the \"fuss\" was with the 4 top schools...
Not all ip schools have this exemption and I believe those with such exemption were originally sec school with the sbgp, which is actually an extension of the gep into sec school.Nebbermind:
[quote=\"sunflower\"]
Hmm…let’s see… Given the varying standards across primary school exams while GEP exams are set by MOE and standardised across the 9 schools, does it mean that those GEP students who cannot maintain at least 80% MIGHT not be naturally gifted or were hot-housed into GEP? So these students got to take GAT again, together with the mainstream students to “double confirm” their giftedness/academic ability during P6 DSA?
Those who were able to maintain 80% are assumed to be able to do well enough for PSLE (since both PSLE and GEP exams from P4 - P6 are standardised and set by MOE). Well, perhaps some who scored lower than expected in PSLE might have immense interests in Maths and Science and very strong in these subjects, but not in the languages, so chose to go NUS High via DSA?
And it does make sense that late bloomers who are academically inclined are given a second chance to have a shot at GAT in P6 during academic DSA.
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