Punggol East By-Election coming ? MP steps down
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HVR:
I agree it is not exactly ideal. But then AIM came along and remind me that the alternative could well be even more dangerous for Singapore. So, how?The way I see oppositions is they are not the same. WP seems more sincere and credible and rather upfront. They are saying they do not wish to seize power from PAP but just want to check the government, watch the government. They even admit PAP have good policies. They want to be in parliament so that they can continue to 'check' and 'watch' government.
To me, this is dangerous for Singapore. From what they said, I took it that they know they can't ran Singapore and they are happy with their 'checking' and 'watching' roles. I am fine with it even though I think if I am the one who do all the hard works, coming up with solutions and policies but someone who doesn't do much can just 'check' and 'watch' and get all the credits, it will be hard for me to continue doing it. In this aspect, kudos to the PAP. Now what if WP comes into power? Then they no longer can 'check' and 'watch'. They have to do it, like what PAP is doing now. If they are as capable as the incumbent, I don't even bother who will form the government, as a political party, I just feel if you want my vote, it is not enough to play the roles of check' and 'watch'.
Anyways, we are still a long time away from WP saying they are ready to form a government. I think WP will find the going a lot tougher if they ever become big enough to capture, say 1/3 of Parliament. -
Certainly there were flaw policies. It is almost impossible to get it right 100% of the time. I am sure there will be more flaw policies in future, regardless who is the incumbent. When this happened, I want to judge the implementation of the flaw policies by the intention. If the intention was to benefit majority of Singaporeans but the effect prove otherwise, then take remedy actions and move on. To expect zero mistake or perfect policies is simply unrealistic.
If I am convinced someone can do the job and is sincere, he or she will get my vote. I am not convinced WP has the resources and capabilities to form government now. Their leaderships admitted as much that they had to concentrate in aljunied and did not continue their work at punggol east for 1 year. Now this had me worried if somehow, they sweep into power what is going to happen to Singapore? -
pirate:
I have my view on AIM saga. Since PM has ordered the review, I am eagerly waiting for the report. While I believe everything is above board, I would like to hear more explanations on the purchase of the sofeware by AIM.
I agree it is not exactly ideal. But then AIM came along and remind me that the alternative could well be even more dangerous for Singapore. So, how?HVR:
The way I see oppositions is they are not the same. WP seems more sincere and credible and rather upfront. They are saying they do not wish to seize power from PAP but just want to check the government, watch the government. They even admit PAP have good policies. They want to be in parliament so that they can continue to 'check' and 'watch' government.
To me, this is dangerous for Singapore. From what they said, I took it that they know they can't ran Singapore and they are happy with their 'checking' and 'watching' roles. I am fine with it even though I think if I am the one who do all the hard works, coming up with solutions and policies but someone who doesn't do much can just 'check' and 'watch' and get all the credits, it will be hard for me to continue doing it. In this aspect, kudos to the PAP. Now what if WP comes into power? Then they no longer can 'check' and 'watch'. They have to do it, like what PAP is doing now. If they are as capable as the incumbent, I don't even bother who will form the government, as a political party, I just feel if you want my vote, it is not enough to play the roles of check' and 'watch'.
Anyways, we are still a long time away from WP saying they are ready to form a government. I think WP will find the going a lot tougher if they ever become big enough to capture, say 1/3 of Parliament. -
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HVR:
I have my view on AIM saga. Since PM has ordered the review, I am eagerly waiting for the report. While I believe everything is above board, I would like to hear more explanations on the purchase of the sofeware by AIM.
PM will have to deal with AIM very carefully, because it scared the heck out of a lot of voters from professional and financial industry backgrounds.
On the contrary, I am not interested in explanations on the purchase of the software by AIM. I am interested in what changes in legislation they are going to introduce to ensure it does not happen again, at both TC and national levels. -
raysusan:
RP rally
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBDIVJ4CAAAE673.jpg:large
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HVR:
You have to go back to history to see how policies were formulated. It was like \"in your face\" and all \"aye\" in parliament. No alternate views except praises all round even when a policy was deemed to be benefitting only one section of the society. And one voice dominated in the parliament where no one dared challenge it. Even when we have one single opposition voice, he got rebutted so strongly to a point he replied meekly \"if the PM says so then so be it\". It was an appalling debacle to watch. Another MP from the ruling party was chastised for being like a 10000cc car that can only operate at 1000cc. Needless to say, he soon disappeared into oblivion.Certainly there were flaw policies. It is almost impossible to get it right 100% of the time. I am sure there will be more flaw policies in future, regardless who is the incumbent. When this happened, I want to judge the implementation of the flaw policies by the intention. If the intention was to benefit majority of Singaporeans but the effect prove otherwise, then take remedy actions and move on. To expect zero mistake or perfect policies is simply unrealistic.
If I am convinced someone can do the job and is sincere, he or she will get my vote. I am not convinced WP has the resources and capabilities to form government now. Their leaderships admitted as much that they had to concentrate in aljunied and did not continue their work at punggol east for 1 year. Now this had me worried if somehow, they sweep into power what is going to happen to Singapore?
Folks in the street cannot afford to wait for an election to highlight flawed policies because many would have suffered by then. What remedy do you think the government can give to those who went for tubal ligation surgery? Will the government ever considered reversing policies if not for bad poll results? Government can move on but not the every people who had suffered beyond repair. With alternative views, policies are challenged, scrutinized and refined before they are adopted. It was not like this in the past.
I have to say your worry about WP sweeping into power is unfounded and naive. How can they sweep to power without the numbers to make the majority in parliament? How can they do it when GRC lines are always redrawn? What exactly will happen to Singapore if WP does come into power? Please enlighten us. It appears you already slay the golden goose even before it gets the chance to lay egg, just like the ruling party.
Mind you I'm not anti-establishment or pro-opposition. So if WP or any other party you chose to chastise comes into power, I would want opposition in parliament, be it PAP, SDP or whatever Ps.
True democracy must prevail. Individuals can afford to be not perfect; government better be and avoid taken experimental approach like in the past. -
tankee:
lastestraysusan:
RP rally
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBDIVJ4CAAAE673.jpg:large
photo taken early?
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Rational_Parent:
Enough said.
You have to go back to history to see how policies were formulated. It was like \"in your face\" and all \"aye\" in parliament. No alternate views except praises all round even when a policy was deemed to be benefitting only one section of the society. And one voice dominated in the parliament where no one dared challenge it. Even when we have one single opposition voice, he got rebutted so strongly to a point he replied meekly \"if the PM says so then so be it\". It was an appalling debacle to watch. Another MP from the ruling party was chastised for being like a 10000cc car that can only operate at 1000cc. Needless to say, he soon disappeared into oblivion.HVR:
Certainly there were flaw policies. It is almost impossible to get it right 100% of the time. I am sure there will be more flaw policies in future, regardless who is the incumbent. When this happened, I want to judge the implementation of the flaw policies by the intention. If the intention was to benefit majority of Singaporeans but the effect prove otherwise, then take remedy actions and move on. To expect zero mistake or perfect policies is simply unrealistic.
If I am convinced someone can do the job and is sincere, he or she will get my vote. I am not convinced WP has the resources and capabilities to form government now. Their leaderships admitted as much that they had to concentrate in aljunied and did not continue their work at punggol east for 1 year. Now this had me worried if somehow, they sweep into power what is going to happen to Singapore?
Folks in the street cannot afford to wait for an election to highlight flawed policies because many would have suffered by then. What remedy do you think the government can give to those who went for tubal ligation surgery? Will the government ever considered reversing policies if not for bad poll results? Government can move on but not the every people who had suffered beyond repair. With alternative views, policies are challenged, scrutinized and refined before they are adopted. It was not like this in the past.
I have to say your worry about WP sweeping into power is unfounded and naive. How can they sweep to power without the numbers to make the majority in parliament? How can they do it when GRC lines are always redrawn? What exactly will happen to Singapore if WP does come into power? Please enlighten us. It appears you already slay the golden goose even before it gets the chance to lay egg, just like the ruling party.
Mind you I'm not anti-establishment or pro-opposition. So if WP or any other party you chose to chastise comes into power, I would want opposition in parliament, be it PAP, SDP or whatever Ps.
True democracy must prevail. Individuals can afford to be not perfect; government better be and avoid taken experimental approach like in the past. -
concern2:
Was the first time since 1996 I attended WP rally. Waded beyond the hard ground into the pool of mud, getting my slippers stuck every now and then was no joke. It was too dark to see how the ground was like but I continued to head towards the light and the crowd. I had to take care not to splatter dirt onto other people.
:rahrah: Kudos to you for going through the mud therapy last night. Hope you had a good time and didn't regret spending time there.
The PAP rally brought the rain, and it didn't stop until right before WP rally started. What strange timing that was. As I peered out of the window at the never ending showers earlier in the day, my mom blurted, \"The rain will stop for the good people.\" And it did.
It was raining since the night before and the entire day was drizzling...but we were rather determined to go to the rally. I was never the hardcore. But having attended WP rallies since the GE at Yio Chu Kang stadium, followed by HG by-election, they got my engagement. I can never imagine myself clapping or cheering for them during my 1st rally at YCK stadium. I thought those people who do that must be hardcore and frankly I felt uncomfortable and felt I will never do that. But guess what.... I found myself doing it spontaneously (as what they say resonates with me)...I was waving their flags, cheering them and I even wanted to buy a hammer
But... the place I was standing last night.. though lots of supporters but the quieter type.... I told dh that I felt \"suppressed\". If only the field was dry, that would have been a very engaging time. Bet you can hear the entire field cheering for them on their own free will.
The crowd was slow to arrive. I suspect that to be due to accessibility. Streams of people arrived in batches as I watched from my window. Each LRT could only carry that many people each time. Many old folks were there to listen to what is not available through MSM. There was light drizzle when I joined the crowd, and was surprised few were using umbrellas for fear of blocking others' views. Some old folks had already made themselves comfortable there earlier with cardboards and chairs to sit on. Most people ground themselves to a spot that has no puddle, and when someone tries to move in the crowd, we would have to pluck our feet off the ground to give way. The crickets hopped amongst our feet, trying to find their way to safer grounds.
I didn't stay throughout, but long enough to see camera flashes from the flat nearby. Each time LTK came up to speak, there would be bursts of party pops with reflective papers sparkling above our heads. When he greeted us and we responded with a unanimous and spontaneous ā儽ļ¼āļ¼ I heard it echoing through the blocks of surrounding flats...
Ok, gota go, fill u guys in later..
Please share how your ride was in getting here - for those who came from other places!
We actually target to be there by 8pm as based on dh's past experience, the hot speakers are usually there at 9pm. But there are alot of speakers that I enjoy in WP eg. CSM, Pritam and even Ah Huat is more polished this time round. So 8pm seems just right. When we went there, the LRT crowd was manageable... On the train, we overheard another old couple who came from Boon Keng and was trying to ask for directions to the Rumbia station. Once there, we followed the crowd, sound and quickly found the site. The crowd started to build up when it was nearer to 8.45pm. We were standing near the driveway area so we saw LTK alighting from the car and everyone started to clap. We also saw a reporter who was asking supporters if they are residents, etc...
We started walking towards the LRT direction when it was 9.50pm when Sylvia was talking. Once her speech ended, we were at the station... Paiseh :oops: .... it is the first time for me on LRT and was shocked to realised that it is only 2 carriage... So didn't want to get caught in the human crowd when going back.
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