Punggol East By-Election coming ? MP steps down

[impetuous]

This is what people mean by voting for the sake of opposition. If WP was sincere they would have place a better person for a candidate. Which they should have… Not someone who said she is contented to remain where she is and then later state that joining the election is a ‘natural’ process. Looks like the co-driver needs to be careful who they choose to represent them. Maybe eventually she would also quit because its the ‘natural’ decision.

[3Boys]

Strparent:

3B, mai lidat la. they reaching out to a different group of people ma, sure have to use these topics and comments to stir the crowd la.

imho, the reason why they can garner votes is NOT that they are a fantastic political party with ideas, but they actually reach out to the lower income class of citizens, who are truly struggling and getting little help ( or no idea how to ) from the ruling party. IF u always kena step on, then someone stretch his hand come help you a bit, you dont appreciate meh ?
Alternate govt ? not in my lifetime......

3B, its not just the agenda, I urge you to attend one of the WP rallies for yrself and see the mood, the atmosphere, and FEEL the people's sentiments. I dont know why, but there is a sense of patriotism ( mis-placed maybe ) inside when you hear the crowd. But I always want my kids to see the other side, so I bring them to attend a WP rally once a while, else they always live in their own world nia nia. just my personal view.

I have said a couple of times, it not the opposition MPs that scare me, it's the supporters of the opposition.

A big test of a party is their ability to take their followers where they may not want to go, and have the moral courage to do so.

Of all the supporters of the WP, what do you understand of their stand on various policy issues?

Recent property curbs, what's WP's stand? Agree? Don't agree? Any alternative?

Education policies, apart from generalities about stress, equalisation and so forth, what specifics do they have at this point? Foreigners in schools, tighten? Loosen?

COEs, what's the WP's position? SMRT, nationalise or don't nationalise, anybody know?

How about NS?

How about taxes? Will they be willing to stand to and say, we raise taxes to fund social programs (which I support, by the way)

What scares me is that one is willing to cast one's vote for an UNKNOWN entity.

Many don't even know what the WP's stand is (apart from watchdog) on many issues, which may even be diametrically opposed to their own, BUT, they would willingly cast their vote for them. With zero analysis.

The only imminization against thoughtless voting is if the party itself has a backbone and says, 'Hey, that's not on, I won't support that (or stay silent) just to keep your vote'.

So far this is the single thing they have failed to do. If they grow that backbone, even in lieu of specific policies, they will be much closer to getting my vote.

A vote for the future? If this is how we choose our political parties, we HAVE no future, but I've been saying that for over a year already.

Political rallies?

The more emotional and passionate they are, the more turned-off I get. I want substance on the stump, not rhetoric. For the record, I attended 5 rallies the last GE, PAP, WP, SDP x 2, and NPP, 4 of them with my kids.

I found them all tedious. Lots of fire and fury and smart alec retorts, but zero substance, even the PAP's was deliberately simplified. All boring.

Want a nationalistic, passionate speech to rouse the nation?

http://youtu.be/eGhdX1SI3KY

LTK is not Hitler and Pritam is not Goebbels, but you'll pardon me if I have an allergy to rhetoric. When the discussion gets to how cute LLL is with a teeth gap, is when I bail.

To concern2, perhaps you prefer the Singapore of tomorrow to be different from today, but if could be different in a way you may not have wished for.

[impetuous]

3Boys:

Strparent:

3B, mai lidat la. they reaching out to a different group of people ma, sure have to use these topics and comments to stir the crowd la.

imho, the reason why they can garner votes is NOT that they are a fantastic political party with ideas, but they actually reach out to the lower income class of citizens, who are truly struggling and getting little help ( or no idea how to ) from the ruling party. IF u always kena step on, then someone stretch his hand come help you a bit, you dont appreciate meh ?
Alternate govt ? not in my lifetime......

3B, its not just the agenda, I urge you to attend one of the WP rallies for yrself and see the mood, the atmosphere, and FEEL the people's sentiments. I dont know why, but there is a sense of patriotism ( mis-placed maybe ) inside when you hear the crowd. But I always want my kids to see the other side, so I bring them to attend a WP rally once a while, else they always live in their own world nia nia. just my personal view.

I have said a couple of times, it not the opposition MPs that scare me, it's the supporters of the opposition.

A big test of a party is their ability to take their followers where they may not want to go, and have the moral courage to do so.

Of all the supporters of the WP, what do you understand of their stand on various policy issues?

Recent property curbs, what's WP's stand? Agree? Don't agree? Any alternative?

Education policies, apart from generalities about stress, equalisation and so forth, what specifics do they have at this point? Foreigners in schools, tighten? Loosen?

COEs, what's the WP's position? SMRT, nationalise or don't nationalise, anybody know?

How about NS?

How about taxes? Will they be willing to stand to and say, we raise taxes to fund social programs (which I support, by the way)

What scares me is that one is willing to cast one's vote for an UNKNOWN entity.

Many don't even know what the WP's stand is (apart from watchdog) on many issues, which may even be diametrically opposed to their own, BUT, they would willingly cast their vote for them. With zero analysis.

The only imminization against thoughtless voting is if the party itself has a backbone and says, 'Hey, that's not on, I won't support that (or stay silent) just to keep your vote'.

So far this is the single thing they have failed to do. If they grow that backbone, even in lieu of specific policies, they will be much closer to getting my vote.

A vote for the future? If this is how we choose our political parties, we HAVE no future, but I've been saying that for over a year already.

Political rallies?

The more emotional and passionate they are, the more turned-off I get. I want substance on the stump, not rhetoric. For the record, I attended 5 rallies the last GE, PAP, WP, SDP x 2, and NPP, 4 of them with my kids.

I found them all tedious. Lots of fire and fury and smart alec retorts, but zero substance, even the PAP's was deliberately simplified. All boring.

Want a nationalistic, passionate speech to rouse the nation?

[youtube=]
http://youtu.be/eGhdX1SI3KY[/youtube]

LTK is not Hitler and Pritam is not Goebbels, but you'll pardon me if I have an allergy to rhetoric.

To concern2, perhaps you prefer the Singapore of tomorrow to be different from today, but if could be different in a way you may not have wished for.

:goodpost: Finally someone who exactly reads the manifesto of the different parties

[3Boys]

concern2:

They don't mind the high COEs, the high cost of public housing, the ever-increasing transport fares, they feel it is very creative of the garmen to find ways to squeeze them while they continuing to enjoy high salary and high profits. 有的愿打，有的愿挨， 我又有什么办法？

Are you willing to live with traffic congestion? If your loved one was in an ambulance stuck in rush hour traffic, what would you say?

Are public transport fares unaffordable for the majority? Do the minority who cannot afford get some form of community assistance?

Why don't you blame the US Federal Reserve's QE that's driving property bubbles all over Asia-Pac?

[concern2]

impetuous:

This is what people mean by voting for the sake of opposition. If WP was sincere they would have place a better person for a candidate. Which they should have.. Not someone who said she is contented to remain where she is and then later state that joining the election is a 'natural' process. Looks like the co-driver needs to be careful who they choose to represent them. Maybe eventually she would also quit because its the 'natural' decision.

Oh? When did she say that?

[concern2]

3Boys:

concern2:

They don't mind the high COEs, the high cost of public housing, the ever-increasing transport fares, they feel it is very creative of the garmen to find ways to squeeze them while they continuing to enjoy high salary and high profits. 有的愿打，有的愿挨， 我又有什么办法？

Are you willing to live with traffic congestion? If your loved one was in an ambulance stuck in rush hour traffic, what would you say?

Are public transport fares unaffordable for the majority? Do the minority who cannot afford get some form of community assistance?

Why don't you blame the US Federal Reserve's QE that's driving property bubbles all over Asia-Pac?

Blame? I thought I was expressing helplessness and how I am trying hard to swallow a remedy pill that is prescribed to me. Your questions thrown out to me is to tell me there are worse prescriptions if I don't take this one?

[3Boys]

concern2:

3Boys:

[quote=\"concern2\"]They don't mind the high COEs, the high cost of public housing, the ever-increasing transport fares, they feel it is very creative of the garmen to find ways to squeeze them while they continuing to enjoy high salary and high profits. 有的愿打，有的愿挨， 我又有什么办法？

Are you willing to live with traffic congestion? If your loved one was in an ambulance stuck in rush hour traffic, what would you say?

Are public transport fares unaffordable for the majority? Do the minority who cannot afford get some form of community assistance?

Why don't you blame the US Federal Reserve's QE that's driving property bubbles all over Asia-Pac?

Blame? I thought I was expressing helplessness and how I am trying hard to swallow a remedy pill that is prescribed to me. Your questions thrown out to me is to tell me there are worse prescriptions if I don't take this one?[/quote]If one understands the situation one would perhaps be a little more able to see if the g'ment were doing a reasonable job or not. And yes, the remedy could be far worse, and in the hands of an untrained doctor, perhaps kill the patient.

Do read my response to Strparent also.

[concern2]

3Boys:

I have said a couple of times, it not the opposition MPs that scare me, it's the supporters of the opposition... ..zero analysis.[/b]

I don't wish to contradict what you've said, as I have seen the other extreme from the incumbent supporters. It is really what one stands for and one's beliefs, preference, aspirations, that is the beauty of democracy. For what we sometimes consider as ignorance, to some, it could be bliss. I believe voters have a right to choose what they like, and I am not all out to influence, just voicing my opinions and thoughts.

3Boys:

To concern2, perhaps you prefer the Singapore of tomorrow to be different from today, but if could be different in a way you may not have wished for.

Yes, one can never be certain of the future, and that is the beauty and possibly scary thing about life and the decisions one make. 10 years ago, I did not even know I would discuss politics the way I do today. Perhaps one day, or it is already starting to happen, opposition supporters will blame incumbent supporters, perhaps incumbent supporters will blame opposition supporters, So become communist better? Then no one gets to vote better?

[3Boys]

concern2:

Yes, one can never be certain of the future, and that is the beauty and possibly scary thing about life and the decisions one make. 10 years ago, I did not even know I would discuss politics the way I do today. Perhaps one day, or it is already starting to happen, opposition supporters will blame incumbent supporters, perhaps incumbent supporters will blame opposition supporters, So become communist better? Then no one gets to vote better?

I'm not a gambler, if one makes a decision, I can only hope one makes an informed one, not roll the dice and hope for the best.

[concern2]

3Boys:

concern2:

Yes, one can never be certain of the future, and that is the beauty and possibly scary thing about life and the decisions one make. 10 years ago, I did not even know I would discuss politics the way I do today. Perhaps one day, or it is already starting to happen, opposition supporters will blame incumbent supporters, perhaps incumbent supporters will blame opposition supporters, So become communist better? Then no one gets to vote better?

I'm not a gambler, if one makes a decision, I can only hope one makes an informed one, not roll the dice and hope for the best.

Yes. Informed or not depends on whether information is available, the sources of where the information is emitted, and whether one takes an active role in finding information, the latter being something that one could make a difference in. Yet, there are many who do not do that. Can you do anything about it?