Punggol East By-Election coming ? MP steps down
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sinoboy:
So would last night's result accelerate national policies before 2016? 8 million instead of 7 million? More spouse to have more chilren? COE, Bus, MRT, property, gst? Anyone?
More spouse??? :spank: -
http://www.overseassingaporean.sg/articles/d/new-childcare-subsidies-will-slash-costs-for-families
Is the increased subsidies only for the working mothers?
http://www.asiaone.com/print/News/PunggolEast/Story/A1Story20130124-397591.html
What happens to non-working mothers? -
janet_lee88:
I am not very surprised.
I am not surprised PAP lost. This goes to show that we do need something to represent us in parliament. Yes, Singapore birth rate is at an alarmingly low figure...i do applaud govt's efforts introduced to increase number of babies, but the attractive package is a separate issue from by-election.JJ1111:
Are u surprise with the result?
I quite shock leh. 1st I didn't expect PAP to lose. Secondly, I am shock that WP win so much.
We do not need more elites like doctors or lawyers in parliament...but YES to more people who understand commoners like us. -
concern2:
My ESP (6th sense) told me one of the parties would get 50% and above, and a 52% was what came to my mind, and my feel was it was the blue team, but my heart was telling me not to get my hopes up, and my brains was telling me (are you sure? 50 and above?
I expected WP or PAP to win by less than 5%. Thought WP have a slightly better chance to win due to the AIM case. A big surprise to most of us that WP won PAP by 11%!mummy so kiasu:
[quote=\"JJ1111\"]Are u surprise with the result?
I quite shock leh. 1st I didn't expect PAP to lose. Secondly, I am shock that WP win so much.
) Well, looks like my internal 3-cornered-fight, my ESP had won! [/quote]Ha..ha.. Good one. Fantastic prediction! Will check with your ESP in 2016. :laugh:
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sleepy:
Like that chicken rice story, PAP probably genuinely do not understand what went wrong with a formula that worked so well the last 50 years. Whatever recent modification they made to that proven recipe still end up rubbing people the wrong way regardless.
It is not about formula. What went wrong is that they allowed trust in the PAP to be eroded. High salaries, and now AIM eroded public trust. Announcing baby bonuses (which must have been planned originally for Budget Day) prematurely just for the BE certainly did not help. You can tweak all the formula you want, but if your customers suspect (rightly or wrongly doesn't matter) that you may not always use real chicken in your chicken rice...
Insufficient affordable childcare facilities + anchor operators + PCF + AIM = dynamite.
\"How many other PAP owned companies are there?\" + \"What happens after LHL?\" + silence = time bomb.
I guess LTK did managed to frighten the voters after all. Until the PAP is able to reassure the voters that there is nothing to be frightened of and win back trust, I predict that PAP will continue to lose votes to the WP no matter what policy initiatives they come up with. Unless WP manage to make the same mistake and allow trust in the WP to be eroded too.
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pirate:
I disagree with your analysis. Although i understand your main concern is in the above, in my view for the majority it IS about the policies, in particular foreign immigration.sleepy:
Like that chicken rice story, PAP probably genuinely do not understand what went wrong with a formula that worked so well the last 50 years. Whatever recent modification they made to that proven recipe still end up rubbing people the wrong way regardless.
It is not about formula. What went wrong is that they allowed trust in the PAP to be eroded. High salaries, and now AIM eroded public trust. Announcing baby bonuses (which must have been planned originally for Budget Day) prematurely just for the BE certainly did not help. You can tweak all the formula you want, but if your customers suspect (rightly or wrongly doesn't matter) that you may not always use real chicken in your chicken rice...
Insufficient affordable childcare facilities + anchor operators + PCF + AIM = dynamite.
\"How many other PAP owned companies are there?\" + \"What happens after LHL?\" + silence = time bomb.
I guess LTK did managed to frighten the voters after all. Until the PAP is able to reassure the voters that there is nothing to be frightened of and win back trust, I predict that PAP will continue to lose votes to the WP no matter what policy initiatives they come up with. Unless WP manage to make the same mistake and allow trust in the WP to be eroded too.
I understand you are trying to reconcile to yourself this conundrum, but beware extrapolating your own feelings on this, I doubt it is really the main issue. -
Just relax:
What? You're expecting them to draw one salary for being an MP? How unthinkable! Preposterous! No top talent would want to join politics for sure!I think PAP will pick up lessons including making sure their own MPs are on their toes. It must be difficult being a PAP MP as it is part-time since all the PAP MPs hold full-time jobs many of whom are top professionals who must devote substantial energy to their jobs, yet must make time for MPS and weekend grass-roots functions and meetings and also manage family time.
For somebody like Michael Palmer it would have been worse as he was a lawyer, MP, Speaker and husband/father. Something gave way. In his case without prejudging him it appears that family gave way as he was still performing as a lawyer, was well-liked by constituency and did a good job in Parliament as Speaker earning even praise from LTK.
PAP may have to relook at how it's MPs can function and meet residents' expectations. If you are an MP who already works in NTUC or organisation that has relationship or close contact with heartlanders then your job may help u function better as an MP. But if you are a busy lawyer or doctor I wonder how much time can you really give as an MP? Your work still takes priority as you owe a contractual and moral obligation to do your best for your employer, then does the constituency or family suffer?
Ordinary KSPs already complain so little time for meaningful family time because of work commitments or other reasons, then the MPs who spend weekday night at MPS and weekends at constituency functions and meetings must have it harder. And there are MPs who also take on roles as directors of companies or trustees of charities or volunteer organisations.
So I wonder if all this time pressure results in MP losing touch with the constituency. Is it time to consider full-time MPs? what if full-time MPs receive their salaries direct from S&C charges? They are then directly responsible to residents? Then there is no issue of MP having to be fully committed to an employer. The MP becomes fully committed to the constituency. Then the MP works like any other Singaporean and has family time and can devote 8 hours a day to the MP job and not the current ad-hoc timing and appearance and hours.
Just a thought :idea: -
SAHM_TAN:
Agree that we shd not be a welfare state.
I'm not a 100% supporter of PAP BUT low birth rate is every Singaporean's problem and I agree that we cannot be a welfare state.
And I believe there are programs to help the needy already. And I support the govt stance to give the needy a push instead of carrying them all the way. -
3Boys:
I disagree with your analysis. Although i understand your main concern is in the above, in my view for the majority it IS about the policies, in particular foreign immigration.pirate:
[quote=\"sleepy\"]Like that chicken rice story, PAP probably genuinely do not understand what went wrong with a formula that worked so well the last 50 years. Whatever recent modification they made to that proven recipe still end up rubbing people the wrong way regardless.
It is not about formula. What went wrong is that they allowed trust in the PAP to be eroded. High salaries, and now AIM eroded public trust. Announcing baby bonuses (which must have been planned originally for Budget Day) prematurely just for the BE certainly did not help. You can tweak all the formula you want, but if your customers suspect (rightly or wrongly doesn't matter) that you may not always use real chicken in your chicken rice...
Insufficient affordable childcare facilities + anchor operators + PCF + AIM = dynamite.
\"How many other PAP owned companies are there?\" + \"What happens after LHL?\" + silence = time bomb.
I guess LTK did managed to frighten the voters after all. Until the PAP is able to reassure the voters that there is nothing to be frightened of and win back trust, I predict that PAP will continue to lose votes to the WP no matter what policy initiatives they come up with. Unless WP manage to make the same mistake and allow trust in the WP to be eroded too.
I understand you are trying to reconcile to yourself this conundrum, but beware extrapolating your own feelings on this, I doubt it is really the main issue.[/quote]This election represents the middle class and young families, who are out twisting the arms of the garment to give them more. -
limlim:
why should the garment dish out $$$(singaporean money) for young couples to make babies.
Agree that we shd not be a welfare state.SAHM_TAN:
I'm not a 100% supporter of PAP BUT low birth rate is every Singaporean's problem and I agree that we cannot be a welfare state.
And I believe there are programs to help the needy already. And I support the govt stance to give the needy a push instead of carrying them all the way.
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