Former SCDF and CNB chiefs arrested

[AC_Power]

octoberbaby:

AC_Power:

[quote=\"octoberbaby\"]I know one senior citizen who worked as civil servant in her younger days. Till date, all her medical expenses are minimal. She went so many operations due to cancer, removal of this, removal of that, her son only paid below $100 for a service fee or something like that.

Not sure whether current civil servants will have such benefits in their retiree days.

This is what they called the \"Gold Card\" medical privilege. No more on offer. With the rising medical cost, it will be crazy if the government continue to provide such benefits to all the civil servants.

I heard the Gold Card can be use by the spouse and also extends to the children before they turn 21. Super solid.

Ya you are right. The spouse till date enjoys the same benefits. I recalled she said something Pension Scheme. But if I am not wrong, the CPF cannot withdrawn full amount.
I think they were given 2 choices at that time, my FIL chose withdraw all CPF money. He didn't choose Pension scheme.
Now civil servant, once retired, medical fees will be borne ownself is it?[/quote]As explained to earlier, this medical benefit has nothing to do with Pension Scheme. There are some pensioners who are not getting this Gold Card privilege.

At the point of retirement, civil servants on pension scheme, regardless of their medical scheme, are always given 2 choices in regards to their pension money. Withdraw full or withdraw partial and get monthly allowance till the day they passed away.

Yes, I believe current civil servants cease to enjoy medical benefit once they leave service, apart from those insurance plan which they opted to buy under a corporate tied up.

[3Boys]

phtthp:

AC_Power:

If he had reported it, his EMA with CS will just be a personal and private matter. His boss might advise him to end it but cannot penalise him for having an EMA. There is no grave personal impact unless his boss is his wife.

If he had declared it, CPIB did not even have a case to start with, let alone bringing the case to court. For keeping quiet about the EMA, CPIB will interpret it as he had something to hide and this is not just a simple sexual relationship.

think if he reported it earlier, his boss may transfer him to another post, or assign someone else instead to handle the IT vendor project, not him. Then he won't be involved. Then no need to pay $ half a million dollars to engage lawyer fight case. And his reputation won't be ruined.

Which sort of proves the point.......

Was there a potential conflict of interest?

Probably.

Was there any wrongdoing?

Possibly not, as per verdict.

Then why prosecute in the first place?

In my view, it was a political prosecution, driven by public invectiveness. Can you imagine the public reaction if he had not been brought to court?

Cover up lah, this and that and the other lah.......

We are a mean, hypocritical society these days. Even though we push our kids to excel and be the best they can be, we revel in the downfall and pour scorn on those who have excelled in their lives.

[AC_Power]

3Boys:

Which sort of proves the point.......

Was there a potential conflict of interest?

Probably.

Was there any wrongdoing?

Possibly not, as per verdict.

Then why prosecute in the first place?

In my view, it was a political prosecution, driven by public invectiveness. Can you imagine the public reaction if he had not been brought to court?

Cover up lah, this and that and the other lah.......

We are a mean, hypocritical society these days. Even though we push our kids to excel and be the best they can be, we revel in the downfall and pour scorn on those who have excelled in their lives.

Honestly, I share your view that this case should not be brought to the court if CPIB is willing to make a stand. This i feel is the biggest problems with our civil services. No one really dare to make the tough call.

If CPIB make the assessment that NBG and CS are lovers and there isn't much to suggest that there are corrupted practices ongoing, they worried about the AGC thinking otherwise and hence putting them in bad light. So the safer and easier way will be to recommend to charge him in court and let the judge decide.

But still, I maintain that NBG should have declared the relationship to his bosses resolve that conflict of interest.

[limlim]

3Boys:

Then why prosecute in the first place?

Disagree.

If don't prosecute, the legal machinery would not be thrown into action to uncover the truth.

Once there is sufficient grounds to prosecute, they will have to do it.

Some more there exists hard evidence to suggest POSSIBLE wrongdoing. Guilty or not, the court will decide.

hush hush and sweep under carpet is NOT the right way to do things, if the integrity of the govt is to be maintained and respected.

[limlim]

3Boys:

Was there any wrongdoing?

Possibly not, as per verdict.

You said it yourself. \"Possibly\" not.........

means, possibly Yes too.

Hence need to prosecute and expose the truth.

Whiter than white.. that is what we expect of the govt.. isn't it?

[3Boys]

limlim:

3Boys:

Was there any wrongdoing?

Possibly not, as per verdict.

You said it yourself. \"Possibly\" not.........

means, possibly Yes too.

Hence need to prosecute and expose the truth.

Whiter than white.. that is what we expect of the govt.. isn't it?

If you want to investigate, then you investigate, to uncover the truth.

If you have reasonable indication of wrongdoing, then you prosecute.

You don't prosecute someone who is, by the way, innocent until proven guilty, on the hunch of a possible wrongdoing.

Don't confuse an investigation with a prosecution.

In doing so, has justice been done to the individual? He is out of pocket to the tune of half-a-million dollars, he is subjected to public ridicule. What if he were a commoner without such deep pockets, could he afford to defend himself?

[limlim]

3Boys:

If you want to investigate, then you investigate, to uncover the truth.

If you have reasonable indication of wrongdoing, then you prosecute.

You don't prosecute someone who is, by the way, innocent until proven guilty, on the hunch of a possible wrongdoing.

You didn't factor in my other post which I didn't repeat in the quoted post, that mentioned presence of hard evidence and not a mere hunch.

When there is reasonable ground for suspicion after the investigation, there is a need to prosecute to uncover the truth.

The material fact is that they knew each other. And that code of conduct have been broken when the r/s was not declared.

Whether there is any illegal cause-effect intention/transactions will then have to be determined after the cross examination.

[limlim]

3Boys:

In doing so, has justice been done to the individual? He is out of pocket to the tune of half-a-million dollars, he is subjected to public ridicule. What if he were a commoner without such deep pockets, could he afford to defend himself?

Would he have ended up in this state had he followed proper code of conduct expected of a high ranking civil officer? is EMA a necessity?

[Just relax]

limlim:

3Boys:

In doing so, has justice been done to the individual? He is out of pocket to the tune of half-a-million dollars, he is subjected to public ridicule. What if he were a commoner without such deep pockets, could he afford to defend himself?

Would he have ended up in this state had he followed proper code of conduct expected of a high ranking civil officer? is EMA a necessity?

The problem is that 2 supposedly capable men succumbed to temptation. The qn. the public can ask, if tempted by this although already married, is there some other temptations these men could fall for as well?

Both are in impt. front line jobs dealing with Singapore's security and safety. These men have to behave impeccably at all times as the temptations are distractions from their job.

BUT that does not mean they were criminal. The other way would have been to have an internal Board of Inquiry (BOI) and if sufficient evidence then hand over to CPIB for further investigation and prosecution by AGC if sufficient evidence.

If you see both the law prof. and CNB case, the women claim relationship, the men also claim relationship, now SCDF also claim relationship, so it is not outright corruption where there is money given (although sex is also corruption but not so clear cut as Judge in CNB case has rightly pointed out) so perhaps BOI 1st?

Then there is no issue of cover up and then all this media circus won't happen. If BOI finds improper then can still punish by sacking etc.

BOI can be 3 man, 1 senior civil servant from different ministry, 1 lawyer from private practice who is Senior Counsel or retired Judge and a 3rd person can be anybody else. The 3 cases of corruption involving affairs are not complicated cases. The BOI can get the facts and all 3men can have their lawyers with them and BOI can conduct inquiry. Very straightforward. No cover up because got retired Judge or senior outside lawyer on BOI.

[pirate]

Nah. The political climate is now so poisonous that nothing short of an open trial will satisfy the baying masses. Anything less and the crowd will scream, "Elitist cover up!"