KTKLN for indo maid?

[POA Teacher]

oceanx:

i rmb contract term of 1 month notice appllies to both parties, but i think the maid would need still need to.pay agent money. and employer signed 8 months cheques to agent. so 2 issues,

1. if current employer doesnt want to pay for transfer fees, then either the maid or new employer will habe to lay the transfer fees. Transfer fees are very cheap and are not the problem.
2. if maid gives 1 month notice, i dunno if she still need to pay for the remaining 5 cheques.

The maid cannot insist on getting transferred. No such thing as 1 mth notice to transfer. If employer refuses to transfer her, and she refuses to work, the employer after cancelling her work permit, HAS to send her back to her homeland. Employer will :moneyflies: .

[skkitty]

oceanx:

To sum up, for the indonesia side, most important is the Passport and KTKLN card.


To apply KTKLN: - http://ktkln.bnp2tki.go.id/ or go to local office : http://ktkln.bnp2tki.go.id/lokasi_ktkln.pdf
I suggest bring 2 copies of each document to quicken the process at KTKLN office.
1. FDW’s KTP card ( similer to Singapore NRIC)
2. FDW’s KK card ( Birth Certificate)
3. FDW’s Passport - 2 photocopies from the Identification page and the last page if the Employers
address is chopped from the Indonesian Embassy in Singapore
4. 2 passport size photos (white background colour photo)
5. Pay for 2 years insurance at KTKLN office (approx 290,000 RP)
6. if officer ask for kopi money... just cry hard =x

I also noticed the requirement for an employment contract.
7. Employment contract endorsed by Indonesia Embassy in Singapore.
(not sure if only applicable to ex-workers coming back to SG or also to new helpers)

The first 2 documents listed above i.e. KK & KTP card, are these additional documents and not an essential for the processing of the KTKLN card?

My helper mentioned that hers are with her Indonesia agent.

Are the basic documents the following :-

a) Passport & Work Permit
b) Employment contract, issued and endorsed by the Embassy

[catddy2002]

Hi all,


Thanks for the reply!
My ex-maid has went back to Indonesia by giving excuse that she has some urgent matter to settle. Her employer worried she not coming back so get her to pay the rest of the loan and mentioned they will cancel her work permit if she not back by 12 Apr.

According to my ex-maid, she is the number 6 maid that they have hired. Other maids before her also not able to stay long.

So for this case, can I apply work permit for her after 12 Apr?
Can I apply directly through MOM?

[POA Teacher]

You can easily apply to MOM for an in principle approval for her but only after they cancel her WP (your application would be rejected if her WP is still live). BUT, I think you may not be able to get her OUT of Indonesia on your own. As far as I know, the Indon authorities now do not allow any maids out unless they go through an agent.


Unless got some loophole?

[catddy2002]

Thanks POA Teacher for your reply!

Will the Indon authorities know her work permit has been cancelled?
Can she give them excuse that she just came back indonesia for a short break and she’s going back to the same employer?

[POA Teacher]

catddy2002:

Thanks POA Teacher for your reply!

Will the Indon authorities know her work permit has been cancelled?
Can she give them excuse that she just came back indonesia for a short break and she's going back to the same employer?

Errr, does she have her KTKLN ? I guess they probably wouldn't know if she still has her WP and KTKLN.
But you have to get the inprinciple approval from MOM before she leaves Indo ( I think you need to send it to her) otherwise she won't be able to enter SG.

[catddy2002]

Yes, she has KTKLN expire in Yr 2015.

Thanks again for your advice!

[oceanx]

POA Teacher:

oceanx:

i rmb contract term of 1 month notice appllies to both parties, but i think the maid would need still need to.pay agent money. and employer signed 8 months cheques to agent. so 2 issues,

1. if current employer doesnt want to pay for transfer fees, then either the maid or new employer will habe to lay the transfer fees. Transfer fees are very cheap and are not the problem.
2. if maid gives 1 month notice, i dunno if she still need to pay for the remaining 5 cheques.

The maid cannot insist on getting transferred. No such thing as 1 mth notice to transfer. If employer refuses to transfer her, and she refuses to work, the employer after cancelling her work permit, HAS to send her back to her homeland. Employer will :moneyflies: .

The contracts I have seen so far includes a clause that allows either parties to cancel the contract with 1 month's notice.

But of course if both parties does not have any disputes, then they can just do the transfer process instead of going the legal way.

[POA Teacher]

oceanx:

The contracts I have seen so far includes a clause that allows either parties to cancel the contract with 1 month's notice.

But of course if both parties does not have any disputes, then they can just do the transfer process instead of going the legal way.

The right to cancel contract is = the right to a transfer????

[oceanx]

POA Teacher:

oceanx:

The contracts I have seen so far includes a clause that allows either parties to cancel the contract with 1 month's notice.

But of course if both parties does not have any disputes, then they can just do the transfer process instead of going the legal way.

The right to cancel contract is = the right to a transfer????

in legal terms, No. It depends entirely on the contract terms and conditions.
If the contract between the employer and FDW includes \"transfer\" terms, then yes, otherwise, No.

But the helper can request assistance from the agency (she did pay them alot of $$$) The agency might have more info available regarding this. or you could try to get a copy of the contract from the FDW and read through the terms.

Although either party can cancel the contract with x month notice, it worth noting that this does not removes any liabilities that may arise from canceling the contract. eg. unpaid agency fees, unpaid salaries, etc..

note also that the current employer paid agency fees for the FDW ranging from $700-$2500, so I would think the current employer will be reluctant to lose the paid agency fees, as such the agency will also normally try to be on the employer's side when any disputes arise. - best to seek MOM's advice.

My own understanding as below:
Cancel contract process: (assuming employer doesn't want to cancel the contract)
1. give notice to cancel, plus inform agent and MOM of the same.
- I believe MOM will give some assistance on this matter as well, so why not call up and ask?
2. after 1 month, either agent or MOM should assist to terminate the current contract.
3. New employer may apply for work permit for the FDW

Transfer process:
1. Current employer apply to transfer for the FDW
2. New employer verifies.
3. FDW transferred to new employer.