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    Integrated Programme (IP)

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Secondary Schools - Selection
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    • V Offline
      verykiasu2010
      last edited by

      CoffeeCat:
      Lol we are not debating with you. We are merely trying to clarify things, especially when we come across something so counter-intuitive to our web of beliefs.


      So at the end of the day, your definition of \"government\" is different from what we heard from the media (\"govt, govt-aided, independent schools\")?
      That it means as long as it received funding from the govt, the govt sees them as government schools?
      That is they have a board of governor and that board is not representing donors/clan association then it is a \"govt\" school?
      So at the end of the day \"what is really independent\"?

      In case you truly know something that the rest of us don't, perhaps you might enlighten us more on this issue.

      From this page
      http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/primary/primary-to-secondary/
      moe states that independent school had full rights to admit anyone, so do your minimum guideline of 250 still applies? (this could be an internal thing for all we know).

      I don't know how much independent schools depend on the government for funding but I know they exercise their \"independence\" by charging high fees (i suppose this is what keeps independent school going) and have their rights to hire teachers as well.
      I don't know about this but if the independent schools charge so much for fees do they still expect funding from the govt?

      Anyway for the rest of us who are curious, this pdf file highlighted the history of the independent school scheme.
      http://sunzi.lib.hku.hk/hkjo/view/33/3300520.pdf
      Just met some principals recently. It is very clearly stated : they need to answer back to MOE on their choice of students, no matter how good the students are. Even for DSA, they have to submit the name list to MOE to get MOE approvals. They cannot issue letter of offer without MOE approval. That much of independece

      As far as I am concerned - i.e. my view of it, independence is just in the area of academic program, and recruitment of certain categories of staff - not all teachers. Principals are appointed by MOE, not by board of governors

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        verykiasu2010
        last edited by

        CoffeeCat:

        Anyway for the rest of us who are curious, this pdf file highlighted the history of the independent school scheme.
        http://sunzi.lib.hku.hk/hkjo/view/33/3300520.pdf
        Page 1 of the article by CUHK :

        The independent schools scheme in Singapore,
        where a few elite schools are given greater autonomy
        •in certain areas of educational management like
        •fixing of school fees, staff recruitment and student
        admission, was introduced in 1987. This article1
        examines the independent schools scheme as an
        example of organizational decentralization of educational
        management. The first section lays out some
        of the relevant concepts to be discussed and delimits
        the scope of discussion. This is followed by a look at
        the background of events leading up to implementation
        of the independent schools scheme,
        including the reasons behind the implementation of
        the scheme. Some key features of the operational
        set-up in these schools are mentioned. It is argued
        that although the independent school principals
        enjoy greater autonomy in, certain areas, the
        Ministry of Education still exerts considerable
        control, both direct and indirect, over them. This
        enables it to grant the independent schools
        autonomy, whiic at the same time ensuring that they
        conform to the overall goals of educational policy in
        Singapore.



        incidentally, my nephew is doing research at CUHK on Singapore schools....

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          xxjustakidxx
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          VitoRelax:
          xxjustakidxx:

          [quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]for NYPS girls to get into NYGH under affiliation scheme, the minimum T-score must be 250 and above


          To maintain the affiliation is to help continue the culture and values of the Nanyang family of schools.

          NYGH was founded as a non-government school which became a government aided school, part of the funding is from donors, they have their board of governors while RGS / RI is a purely government school

          RGS, RI, NYGH, HCI are all independent schools. NJC, DHS, RVHS are government aided.

          Are the fees in RGS, RI, HCI & NYGH the same ?[/quote]RGS and RI are higher. FOr HCI/ NYGH its 200, for RI/RGS its 300

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            VitoRelax
            last edited by

            xxjustakidxx:
            VitoRelax:

            [quote=\"xxjustakidxx\"]
            RGS, RI, NYGH, HCI are all independent schools. NJC, DHS, RVHS are government aided.

            Are the fees in RGS, RI, HCI & NYGH the same ?

            RGS and RI are higher. FOr HCI/ NYGH its 200, for RI/RGS its 300[/quote]Wah, $300 per month is expensive ...

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              phankao
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              verykiasu2010:
              Principals are appointed by MOE, not by board of governors

              To some extent, I guess. But some schools who have their own Board of Governors, eg, like the CHIJ Board which governs all CHIJ schools in Singapore, the Principals are both selected by the Board (maybe recommended by MOE) and both parties agree before the Principal can be appointed.

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                daisyt
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                xxjustakidxx:
                RGS and RI are higher. FOr HCI/ NYGH its 200, for RI/RGS its 300

                For NYGH, there is also a miscellaneous fee of $750 per annum that covers the following.
                Student Protection Plan (Group Insurance)
                School newsletter / publicationsed
                Pupil transport for events like field trips amd learning jouneys
                Registration for selected external competitions
                Information & Communication Technologies Education
                Subscription for e-portal and e-mail account
                Material for Home Economics practicals
                Lifeskills camp for lower secondary
                Selected sabbaticals
                NYAA registration

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                  xxjustakidxx
                  last edited by

                  daisyt:
                  xxjustakidxx:

                  RGS and RI are higher. FOr HCI/ NYGH its 200, for RI/RGS its 300


                  For NYGH, there is also a miscellaneous fee of $750 per annum that covers the following.
                  Student Protection Plan (Group Insurance)
                  School newsletter / publicationsed
                  Pupil transport for events like field trips amd learning jouneys
                  Registration for selected external competitions
                  Information & Communication Technologies Education
                  Subscription for e-portal and e-mail account
                  Material for Home Economics practicals
                  Lifeskills camp for lower secondary
                  Selected sabbaticals
                  NYAA registration

                  :!:

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                    lizawa
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                    Please also note that the school fees are not fixed for the independent IP schools over the 6 years. There are some tiers. For some, Sec 1 /2 belong to 1 tier, Sec 3/4 2nd tier and JC1/2, 3rd tier.


                    And EESIS now covers only $2400 /year, meaning you have to fork out extra if your school fees exceed this.

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                      daisyt
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                      That’s why, from what I know, there are students, able to get in HCI but choosen government IP school because of fees issue.

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                        cascada
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                        I’ve heard some parents with children in IP schools said that teachers in IP schools do not teach much. One even said it is because teachers see the students in IP schools as ‘higher calibre’, so they are expected to get what was taught in a short time. Most of the learning were left to the students themselves.

                        Is this true? Do the students feel helpless?

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