Integrated Programme (IP)

[mommyNg]

him4mixer:

1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.

I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year). After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC. That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...

[starlight1968sg]

mommyNg:

I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year). After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC. That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...

:yikes:
I am shocked!

[bebebub]

mommyNg:

him4mixer:

1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.

I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year). After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC. That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...

Is this made known to the students in their DSA offer letter?

Does the above practice (no transfer to other JC) apply to IP applicants who gets accepted via the Sec Sch JAE?

Anyone with personal experience or first hand infor to share? TIA

[phtthp]

mommyNg:

I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year).

After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC.
That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level.
I think the dd in the end went to poly...

Why did MOE step in to say \"No\", after Principal of the non-IP JC wanted to accept her ?
What was the reason behind why MOE say \"No\" ?
Is it because she entered the IP JC by DSA, hence cannot ?

If she had entered by Psle T-score instead of DSA route, then MOE would have let her go through ?
Is this the difference between enter by Psle T-score road, vs. DSA road ?

Or do we interpret as -
regardless of whether enter by (DSA or Psle T-score) :
As long as Secondary school (Y1 to Y4 pupils from RGS girls / RI boys) are academically weak, they cannot transfer out to any other JC to do Y5 & Y6 \"A\" level, since they quickly trying to exit, get out of RI \"A\" level as they no longer can cope ?
This is a new ruling ?

[Nebbermind]

phtthp:

mommyNg:

I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year).

After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC.
That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level.
I think the dd in the end went to poly...

Why did MOE step in to say \"No\", after Principal of the non-IP JC wanted to accept her ?
What was the reason behind why MOE say \"No\" ?
Is it because she entered the IP JC by DSA, hence cannot ?

If she had entered by Psle T-score instead of DSA route, then MOE would have let her go through ?
Is this the difference between enter by Psle T-score road, vs. DSA road ?

Or do we interpret as -
regardless of whether enter by (DSA or Psle T-score) :
As long as Secondary school (Y1 to Y4 pupils from RGS girls / RI boys) are academically weak, they cannot transfer out to any other JC to do Y5 & Y6 \"A\" level, since they quickly trying to exit, get out of RI \"A\" level as they no longer can cope ?
This is a new ruling ?

Not sure why she was accepted by the other JC....I assume it's coz of her sport?
But it doesn't make sense to continue in the JC route coz she had been failing since sec1...definitely way behind and very unlikely to be able to cope with JC.

[phtthp]

Thanks, mommyNg, for sharing.


learnt something new today.
thought for Transfer JC cases : once Principal approve, can.
din realize that must also get Moe approval : means Moe look into all the Transfer cases, as well.

coming back to the girl case :
why she did not Transfer out in beginning Y3 / Y4 to do O level in some other Secondary school, earlier ?
Maybe if she had escaped earlier instead of reach until Y5 "A" level, wont be caught in a fix ?

[zeemimi]

The principal of DS’s IP sch told the parents, if the child cannot make it in IP, it doesn’t mean that if he transfers to O levels, he can make it, cos O levels is equally tough.

I have kids in both IP and O levels, both have tough lives, busier than their parents, sleep less than their parents, equal stress as their parents, sometimes more stressed than their parents.

[zeemimi]

him4mixer:

Please take note of the following pointers if you are intending to use the DSA route.
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.

Is the IB exam easier? :?
Only can go to ACSI or SJI or SOTA? Or means must go to private / international schools?

[mommyNg]

Nebbermind:

phtthp:

Why did MOE step in to say \"No\", after Principal of the non-IP JC wanted to accept her ?
What was the reason behind why MOE say \"No\" ?
Is it because she entered the IP JC by DSA, hence cannot ?

If she had entered by Psle T-score instead of DSA route, then MOE would have let her go through ?
Is this the difference between enter by Psle T-score road, vs. DSA road ?

Not sure why she was accepted by the other JC....I assume it's coz of her sport?
But it doesn't make sense to continue in the JC route coz she had been failing since sec1...definitely way behind and very unlikely to be able to cope with JC.

I agree that if she is really that academically weak, then it is highly unlikely that she can cope with JC/A levels, so it may be better for the child to either repeat sec 4 (which the child/parent is unwilling) or find other options such as going to poly.

I don't know if there is a difference between entering through PSLE t-score or DSA for not allowing the student to proceed to JC, but my assumption is that if the child is able to enter the IP school through PSLE t-score (it is not easy to achieve 260+ for PSLE), then the child should already have achieved a certain level of academic skills, and should be able to cope with the rigor of an IP programme leading to A levels.

[phtthp]

RGS / RI students who had signed the DSA form, to enter Secondary school -

did the DSA Acceptance form state explicitly the condition / clause, that once you accept the offer at Primary 6 : you not allowed to leave the School, within the next 4 years, or within the next 6 years ?