Integrated Programme (IP)

[sharonkhoo]

MyPillow:

Maybe OT

Yes, sorry. I thought of moving my reply, but wasn't sure where to put it and didn't want to start a new thread. If the mods can find a suitable place or want to start a new thread, please move the discussion!

To make this less OT, I think the fear of being unemployable is less of an issue for IP students who are generally at the upper end of the 40%. Maybe not every single student, but most. They are the ones who would have got into university anyway 30-50 yrs ago.

[Wanderer1231]

Thanks to the kind souls that has responded. May I enquire, if the dsa route is taken, apart from academics and cca, is it possible to try using other niche areas or talents? Thank you!

[Wanderer1231]

Also, what are the possible implications of dsa on a jc student?

[phtthp]

There is some difference, between DSA at P6 vs. DSA at Sec 4.


At Primary 6 :-
Besides the usual DSA routes, like enter via (individual Subject academic, Sports Cca, Performing Arts Cca), one can also DSA by Social Innovation, by Leadership, etc.

How to know what DSA they have ? The detailed P6 DSA Application form inside, will state, specify very clearly.

However, at Secondary 4 DSA, into an A-level Junior College, the main difference vs. P6 DSA, is that-

There is NO more specific Academic
Subject DSA , anymore. However, the DSA via Cca, still remain. In other words, one cannot DSA at Sec 4, using academic domain.

The implication is that, once DSA into a JC at end of Sec 4, you cannot change to another JC after you have signed & accepted the DSA contract, after the release of GCE O-level results.

AND

Whichever Junior College that had offered you a DSA offer, at the end of Sec 4 : must honor the contract signed between u and JC, for as long as you are able to meet or qualify for the lowest (minimum) Cut-off-point, into a JC, that is 20 points in your L1R5, according to MOE entry into JC rules.

scenario 1

suppose a JAE student scored 21 points in his (her) L1R5, which already exceeded the maximum 20 points. In this case, the DSA offer at the end of Sec 4, becomes void, invalid, nullified, useless, because JAE student failed to meet lowest 20 points, to enter an A-level JC.


scenario 2

However, in another scenario, suppose the Cut-off-point for a JC, is 10 points for A-level Science stream, and say, the DSA student had scored 12 points, in her L1R5.

In this case, because of that DSA offer at the end of Sec 4 which this student had accepted before she sat for O-level exam, even though her 12 points exceeded the Cut-off of 10 points entry, she still can enter this JC which she had DSA through, and also because her 12 points is within maximum 20 points, to enter a JC. This is an example of what implications mean, for both JC & pupil, via DSA at the end of Sec 4.

However, one thing to note is that, for this DSA student who managed to enter the JC (Science stream) eventually : whether or not, this pupil is allowed to take 4 H2 subject combination or take only (3 H2, plus one H1 subject) combination, that is another separate story (issue). Entry is one thing. Choice of subject combination, at JC1 (Year 5), is a separate issue to discuss

[Wanderer1231]

Umm…my question is directed at the scenario that an IP student attempt the dsa route into JC. But thanks for the reply!


So, you mentioned that academic dsa is no longer an option, what about other aspects, like talent in programming/writing ect? Do you know of any instances whereby competence demonstrated in those fields is taken into considerstion? Thanks!

[phtthp]

Then u must examine content of that DSA year 4 Application form : see what DSA routes, one can enter by, for that particular JC, u are interested in.


Whether apply to Sec 4 O-level candidates for DSA, will also apply to Year 4 IP candidates, although not many would expect IP students to DSA at Year 4, as people assume that IP students will naturally (automatically) graduate, from their Affliated JC.

Suppose after checking the Sec 4 DSA application, but the Form inside never mention any DSA route for "talent in coding / computer programming", nor for "creative writing essay" talent. What u can do, is drop the VP (Academic) of that particular JC u are keen In, an email. The VP will get reply u within a week, whether can proceed or not, with your talent proposed.

If the VP 's reply is "Sorry, cannot. Our Junior College only accept DSA candidates at end of Sec 4, via Sports domain only", too bad. That means got to go back to "Transfer" method, not by this "DSA" method, since it doesn’t work after trying, where this JC is concerned.

So far, I had checked only the A-level bound JC DSA Application form. None of them allow DSA at Sec 4, by individual academic Subject. But, by research projects done, Yes, have ! But, those IB-bound places like SJI / ACSI, I never check. To me, if one is strong in Maths & Science, think better to do the A-level. That’s my own opinion.

[phtthp]

Wanderer1231:

Umm...my question is directed at the scenario that an IP student attempt the dsa route into JC. But thanks for the reply!


So, you mentioned that academic dsa is no longer an option, what about other aspects, like talent in programming/writing ect? Do you know of any instances whereby competence demonstrated in those fields is taken into considerstion? Thanks!

Let's take a look at Anderson Junior College, year 4 DSA Application Form.

Besides the usual DSA routes like Cca (Sports) or Performing Arts stuff, which is common, since ex Psle time already have all these Cca stuff, AJC is also looking for talents, in other specific areas as well :-

- programming coding (bingo ! That's where your child talent lies in),

- Scientific Research projects undertaken, via Clubs. So, they are looking at the type (nature) of Research projects you have worked upon, before.

But, AJC didn't ask for Talent in \"creative writing\".

https://ajc.moe.edu.sg/admissions/direct-school-admission-dsa-1

That means, if u apply for DSA into Anderson JC via \"programming\" talent, AJC can process your Application form. But if apply via \"Creative writing\", cannot process, because AJC didn't even open up this channel, for DSA potential candidates.

At end of Year 4, several students will be applying for DSA into Polytechnic, into Junior Colleges. Can be O-level candidates, or can be IP students as well, although rare IP students, but still possible.

[Wanderer1231]

But is dsa at this point in time still possible? Why does transfer require dsa? Can just submit application letter and relevant materials right? If the jc thinks you have potential, they might call you for an interview or something?

[FantasyLandDreams]

Hi

I would like to check if there is option to do Normal Chinese instead of HCL , in RI, RGS, NYGH, HCI?
Or is it that HCL is compulsory in these 4 schools at Sec 1?

Also, I heard that O level track students will get 2 bonus points for JC admission for doing HCL? Please correct me if wrong? For IP students, no such ‘benefit’ right, perhaps only saving time of one year in JC1 to study other subjects instead, as I assume HCL O Level paper would already been taken at Sec 4? Not sure how the system works now as I have not been keeping track on this HCL in Secondary thingy.

Anyone can advise on the above? Thank you very much.

[jtoh]

FantasyLandDreams:

Hi

I would like to check if there is option to do Normal Chinese instead of HCL , in RI, RGS, NYGH, HCI?
Or is it that HCL is compulsory in these 4 schools at Sec 1?

Also, I heard that O level track students will get 2 bonus points for JC admission for doing HCL? Please correct me if wrong? For IP students, no such 'benefit' right, perhaps only saving time of one year in JC1 to study other subjects instead, as I assume HCL O Level paper would already been taken at Sec 4? Not sure how the system works now as I have not been keeping track on this HCL in Secondary thingy.

Anyone can advise on the above? Thank you very much.

Yes, you can choose to do CL instead of HCL at RGS and RI. I'm not sure about NYGH and HCI.

There's no need for HCL bonus points in IP. If you pass HCL at O level in Year 4, you can, depending on your grade, be excused from taking CL in Years 5/6. In RGS, you need to have passed HCL at minimum D7 (iirc) to be excused from taking CL at A levels. If you think you can do better, you're welcome to take CL at JC. The minimum grade to be excused from taking CL in HCI/NYGH in Years 5/6 is B4, I believe. HCI/NYGH parents would have better info on this.