Integrated Programme (IP)
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Thanks for replying, guys! Ok, now it seems like it’s really hard to transfer to another JC out of the IP syllabus apart from the dsa path as MOE might not allow it… That sucks… Is the MOE’s ban restricted to a transfer to IP JCs or all JCs in general? Someone mentioned that Anderson does not accept IP transfer. So it is up to MOE and the JC you applied to to decide whether the transfer would be successful ? Are there any written or unwritten criteria for considering when transferring?
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Maybe you can write an email to that intended JC you wish to seekTransfer to, first. At this point, no need to attach any results yet, but to assess the situation, first. See what the Principal of that intended JC, or Officer-in-charge of Transfer, can be a VP (Administration), has to say.
Tell them explicitly that you are currently an IP student (Non-DSA, entered Sec 1 via Psle T-score). State your reason (s) behind, to request for Transfer.
Whether or not got vacancy arise for Transfer, or whether or not an individual Junior College or MOE allow a Non-DSA IP (or DSA IP) student to Transfer at the end of Year 4 to another JC, they will reply your email. They will get back to u. Then, from their reasons written in black-and-white, through email reply, you will be able to know for yourself the reasons behind why can, or cannot Transfer.
If the Answer is Yes, got vacancy, allow Transfer to take place, quickly submit all your supporting document (certificates).
If the Answer for Transfer is No, repeat the same process, try another JC.
For IP students, there are various different type of Transfer, handled (treated) :-
a ) Transfer To a Non IP-JC
- from IP school (DSA student), to a Non IP-JC,
- from IP school (T-score entry, Non-DSA student), to a Non-IP-JC.
b) Transfer to an IP JC
- from IP school (DSA student), to an IP JC
- from IP school (T-score entry student), to an IP JC -
ChiefKiasu:
Sounds like IP schools are quite restrictive!
When a student gets enrolled into an IP school after Psle, normally people do not expect IP students to Transfer school mid-way, since IP in itself is already a through-train program, all the way up from Sec 1 until A-level graduation end-point. All IP students already have a seat readily reserved for them in their affliated Junior College, come Year 5.
In other words, IP Transfer is Not a norm, or rarely to be expected a phenomenon, so to speak.
A far cry indeed, from their JAE (O-level) counterpart competitors , who had to rely solely on their L1R5 O-level score, to determine whether or not, they can even be admitted into a Junior College.
If we were to ask ourselves this ironical question : why then, would IP candidates still want to seek Transfer, for ?
One can think of 2 possible reasons (scenario / request for Transfer).
a)
unable to cope midway, with IP
If the IP school already has an existing O-level program available (be it on-demand single O level class, or a full-fledged dual track class) to fall back upon, inside its own school premises chances are one can Transfer internally easier, because is all within the same school compound, no need so troublesome purposely go find another school to Transfer out to.
However, what happen if the IP school doesn't install any life-jacket O-level program in place, as an emergency last-minute \"U-turn back\", to catch them back safely ? That's when no choice, but had to do so.
Roughly, 6 percent of IP candidates are found, unable to cope somewhere along the 6 years :-
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/about-6-of-students-likely-to-not-finish-ip
Perhaps, this type of Transfer, MOE may permit, because if a student is seriously struggling, drowning inside the deep blue sea (ocean), finding it hard to float alive (breathe), to rescue the IP student, so should let go (release ) the pupil.
A second reason could be that, after spending past 4 years in an IP-JC, and having realized that IP Teachers teach little, because expecting a lot of independent self-study from students, now that they are nearing (moving much closer) towards sitting for major A-level exam, some IP students had enough (tired or wounded / been hurt along the way) of past 4 years & actually prefer (decided) to go to a \"Non-IP\" JC instead to finish up their final last lap, looking forward to see A-level Teachers teach them more, since everyone coming into a Non-IP JC is a JAE student, starting afresh on equal ground after O-level, never studied before in any IP environment. Hence, reason for Transfer, as they need the peace, for final lap hurdle.
Eg.
Release an IP student, allow pupil to Transfer, from a Top-tier IP school, to a (lower-tier IP school / Non-IP Junior College)
b)
This group of students are able to cope with IP, but perhaps along the way during 4-to-6 years, they Don't find the IP curriculum designed good (great) somehow, or they realized that they had made a wrong choice in stepping into this IP school, hence want to Transfer out to another better higher standard ( quality) Junior College, at the end of Year 4, going up into Year 5.
Eg.
The other way round, instead.
They want to request for Transfer, from a lower-tier IP school, to a Top-Tier IP Junior College.
Perhaps, it is this group of IP students, that might encounter difficulty, in seeking Transfer. -
That’s sound analysis, I appreciate them a lot. Putting aside policies and criteria, I fear it would simply be harder for students to transfer out of the IP programme this year as eight JCs are undergoing merger. That would mean less student intake and rougher competition, am I right?
Responding to the whole “IP Students have their JC spots secured” thing, it is actually a little off from the truth as students still need to sit for internal exams which’s difficulty level far surpass those of the O-Level exams. Also, students in the IP stream are being compared to their peers, the top few percent of the entire nation, which means a harder fight to stay afloat (I guess this is a case of unability to cope).
At least for Olevel students, they are being pitched against the entire nation, not some elite batch and have their papers generally less challenging. There is much serious repercussions should a student screw up in an IP school-he or she might virtually have no JCs to attend at all. Whereas if that same student were to take the olevels, he or she might screw up but still end up in a JC, albeit a less prestigious one. -
Based on what Principal of Anderson Junior College had said (in turn based on sharing from mummyv) : we are not sure, is it IP students not allowed to Transfer only to Non-IP JC (because AJC happen to be a Non-IP JC), or is it also not allowed to transfer across to other IP-JC as well, unless IP student entered by DSA ?
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huh, only 4 in 10 end up in local uni ? Too few
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phtthp:
huh, only 4 in 10 end up in local uni ? Too few
Most developed countries of the world are around there: UK 42%, US 36%, Australia 39%, Canada 34% etc. A small no. do have higher proportions (see link below). I would be concerned about employability and unemployment. Even at 40%, we do hear of graduates who can't find \"graduate\" jobs, or who feel underemployed as they are doing jobs which in the past were done by non-graduates. But can a nation have mainly \"graduate\" jobs without the other types of jobs? Do we import more foreigners? And frankly, has the average intelligence of our population increased so much over the last 30-50 years? Are we as a nation willing to redefine the kinds of jobs that graduates should be expected to do?
My older girl just scraped into university, and while I am happy that she has done so, I can clearly see that 30 years ago she would not have been able to. We tell her frankly that she is highly unlikely to get what is considered a \"graduate\" job but should be prepared to do a job which in the past an A level holder would have done. And she will be competing against diploma holders who will also be applying for those jobs. I have lived in China, where there are way too many graduates (although still a low percentage) looking for non-existent \"graduate\" jobs, but unwilling to accept less because they feel that they shouldn't settle for less after 4 yrs of study. It's not a good situation.
Data (look at the 2nd column of the 2nd table - 4-yr degrees)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_education_attainment#2014_OECD_data -
phtthp:
huh, only 4 in 10 end up in local uni ? Too few
There are some end up in overseas uni? -
slmkhoo:
:goodpost:phtthp:
huh, only 4 in 10 end up in local uni ? Too few
Most developed countries of the world are around there: UK 42%, US 36%, Australia 39%, Canada 34% etc. A small no. do have higher proportions (see link below). I would be concerned about employability and unemployment. Even at 40%, we do hear of graduates who can't find \"graduate\" jobs, or who feel underemployed as they are doing jobs which in the past were done by non-graduates. But can a nation have mainly \"graduate\" jobs without the other types of jobs? Do we import more foreigners? And frankly, has the average intelligence of our population increased so much over the last 30-50 years? Are we as a nation willing to redefine the kinds of jobs that graduates should be expected to do?
My older girl just scraped into university, and while I am happy that she has done so, I can clearly see that 30 years ago she would not have been able to. We tell her frankly that she is highly unlikely to get what is considered a \"graduate\" job but should be prepared to do a job which in the past an A level holder would have done. And she will be competing against diploma holders who will also be applying for those jobs. I have lived in China, where there are way too many graduates (although still a low percentage) looking for non-existent \"graduate\" jobs, but unwilling to accept less because they feel that they shouldn't settle for less after 4 yrs of study. It's not a good situation.
Data (look at the 2nd column of the 2nd table - 4-yr degrees)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_education_attainment#2014_OECD_data
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