Integrated Programme (IP)
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That’s sound analysis, I appreciate them a lot. Putting aside policies and criteria, I fear it would simply be harder for students to transfer out of the IP programme this year as eight JCs are undergoing merger. That would mean less student intake and rougher competition, am I right?
Responding to the whole “IP Students have their JC spots secured” thing, it is actually a little off from the truth as students still need to sit for internal exams which’s difficulty level far surpass those of the O-Level exams. Also, students in the IP stream are being compared to their peers, the top few percent of the entire nation, which means a harder fight to stay afloat (I guess this is a case of unability to cope).
At least for Olevel students, they are being pitched against the entire nation, not some elite batch and have their papers generally less challenging. There is much serious repercussions should a student screw up in an IP school-he or she might virtually have no JCs to attend at all. Whereas if that same student were to take the olevels, he or she might screw up but still end up in a JC, albeit a less prestigious one. -
Based on what Principal of Anderson Junior College had said (in turn based on sharing from mummyv) : we are not sure, is it IP students not allowed to Transfer only to Non-IP JC (because AJC happen to be a Non-IP JC), or is it also not allowed to transfer across to other IP-JC as well, unless IP student entered by DSA ?
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huh, only 4 in 10 end up in local uni ? Too few
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phtthp:
huh, only 4 in 10 end up in local uni ? Too few
Most developed countries of the world are around there: UK 42%, US 36%, Australia 39%, Canada 34% etc. A small no. do have higher proportions (see link below). I would be concerned about employability and unemployment. Even at 40%, we do hear of graduates who can't find \"graduate\" jobs, or who feel underemployed as they are doing jobs which in the past were done by non-graduates. But can a nation have mainly \"graduate\" jobs without the other types of jobs? Do we import more foreigners? And frankly, has the average intelligence of our population increased so much over the last 30-50 years? Are we as a nation willing to redefine the kinds of jobs that graduates should be expected to do?
My older girl just scraped into university, and while I am happy that she has done so, I can clearly see that 30 years ago she would not have been able to. We tell her frankly that she is highly unlikely to get what is considered a \"graduate\" job but should be prepared to do a job which in the past an A level holder would have done. And she will be competing against diploma holders who will also be applying for those jobs. I have lived in China, where there are way too many graduates (although still a low percentage) looking for non-existent \"graduate\" jobs, but unwilling to accept less because they feel that they shouldn't settle for less after 4 yrs of study. It's not a good situation.
Data (look at the 2nd column of the 2nd table - 4-yr degrees)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_education_attainment#2014_OECD_data -
phtthp:
huh, only 4 in 10 end up in local uni ? Too few
There are some end up in overseas uni? -
slmkhoo:
:goodpost:phtthp:
huh, only 4 in 10 end up in local uni ? Too few
Most developed countries of the world are around there: UK 42%, US 36%, Australia 39%, Canada 34% etc. A small no. do have higher proportions (see link below). I would be concerned about employability and unemployment. Even at 40%, we do hear of graduates who can't find \"graduate\" jobs, or who feel underemployed as they are doing jobs which in the past were done by non-graduates. But can a nation have mainly \"graduate\" jobs without the other types of jobs? Do we import more foreigners? And frankly, has the average intelligence of our population increased so much over the last 30-50 years? Are we as a nation willing to redefine the kinds of jobs that graduates should be expected to do?
My older girl just scraped into university, and while I am happy that she has done so, I can clearly see that 30 years ago she would not have been able to. We tell her frankly that she is highly unlikely to get what is considered a \"graduate\" job but should be prepared to do a job which in the past an A level holder would have done. And she will be competing against diploma holders who will also be applying for those jobs. I have lived in China, where there are way too many graduates (although still a low percentage) looking for non-existent \"graduate\" jobs, but unwilling to accept less because they feel that they shouldn't settle for less after 4 yrs of study. It's not a good situation.
Data (look at the 2nd column of the 2nd table - 4-yr degrees)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_education_attainment#2014_OECD_data -
slmkhoo:
Maybe OTphtthp:
huh, only 4 in 10 end up in local uni ? Too few
Most developed countries of the world are around there: UK 42%, US 36%, Australia 39%, Canada 34% etc. A small no. do have higher proportions (see link below). I would be concerned about employability and unemployment. Even at 40%, we do hear of graduates who can't find \"graduate\" jobs, or who feel underemployed as they are doing jobs which in the past were done by non-graduates. But can a nation have mainly \"graduate\" jobs without the other types of jobs? Do we import more foreigners? And frankly, has the average intelligence of our population increased so much over the last 30-50 years? Are we as a nation willing to redefine the kinds of jobs that graduates should be expected to do?
My older girl just scraped into university, and while I am happy that she has done so, I can clearly see that 30 years ago she would not have been able to. We tell her frankly that she is highly unlikely to get what is considered a \"graduate\" job but should be prepared to do a job which in the past an A level holder would have done. And she will be competing against diploma holders who will also be applying for those jobs. I have lived in China, where there are way too many graduates (although still a low percentage) looking for non-existent \"graduate\" jobs, but unwilling to accept less because they feel that they shouldn't settle for less after 4 yrs of study. It's not a good situation.
Data (look at the 2nd column of the 2nd table - 4-yr degrees)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_education_attainment#2014_OECD_data
There are also significant % of Employers who are not keen to employ grads for non-grads job though the grad is willing to
take up to gain experiences . Personally , I faced such prob when i just grad fr local uni , more than 15ys ago... i guess such
situation is still an issue faced by new grad n Employers (doubting commitment & sincerity of fresh grads) -
When it comes to employability, it depends more on the existing jobs that the candidate has experienced, than the academic capability of the candidate. For fresh graduates with blank resumes, much has to do with the grades and outlook of the candidate, and recruiters are faced with greater unknowns. What if a candidate with stellar graduate grades break down under work pressures? Although unlikely, it does happen, even though it is rare. Remember that A*star scholar who went to the US and was convicted of poisoning her colleagues? It happens. What we have here is really a mechanism for churning out 98% good candidates and maybe 2% not so good ones. Our goal is to reduce the error rate as much as we can.
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MyPillow:
Maybe OT
Yes, sorry. I thought of moving my reply, but wasn't sure where to put it and didn't want to start a new thread. If the mods can find a suitable place or want to start a new thread, please move the discussion!
To make this less OT, I think the fear of being unemployable is less of an issue for IP students who are generally at the upper end of the 40%. Maybe not every single student, but most. They are the ones who would have got into university anyway 30-50 yrs ago.
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