DSA 2012
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Whylikethat888:
Above is very encouraging statement for the mainstreamers. Thanks for such statement.
Bottom-line for mainstreamers - please don't be disheartened or take it personally for any DSA rejection. Stay focused on PSLE! At that time, you choose school, not school choose you
All the best to your kid Whylikethat888! -
mamona:
Most welcome. We come here to care and share. Being a parent of mainstreamer kids, I fully understand most of the frustrations and insecurity they face. Jiayou to all mainstreamers!
Above is very encouraging statement for the mainstreamers. Thanks for such statement. -
Snow Crystal:
RGS has not have such affiliation scheme for their old girls even their DSA are given to those achieve good results for GEP or sport talented students and the rest enter via PSLE merit. To ensure the high ability students they accept are the top top ones, may be NYGH also going along this line. Not to forget the final competition at the two end schools is a always 'A' level results mah.
Not raised ...yet... :evil:jtoh:
I thought the preferential COP for NYPS to NYGH is 250? Has it been raised?
No lah, it's still 250. Whylikethat888 is using my earlier example of 255 - I had mentioned that a NYPS girl in top class capable of scoring 255 and above (quite safe number) for PSLE usually may not even need to apply NYGH DSA... -
Otah:
RGS has not have such affiliation scheme for their old girls even their DSA are given to those achieve good results for GEP or sport talented students and the rest enter via PSLE merit. To ensure the high ability students they accept are the top top ones, may be NYGH also going along this line. Not to forget the final competition at the two end schools is a always 'A' level results mah.[/quote]Every year many parents try to get their gal to NYPS or transfer to NYPS from another primary school because of this affiliation scheme.
Not raised ...yet... :evil:Snow Crystal:
[quote=\"jtoh\"]
I thought the preferential COP for NYPS to NYGH is 250? Has it been raised?
No lah, it's still 250. Whylikethat888 is using my earlier example of 255 - I had mentioned that a NYPS girl in top class capable of scoring 255 and above (quite safe number) for PSLE usually may not even need to apply NYGH DSA... -
Kiasucy:
With this affiliation, girls from NYPS already has 12 point advantage over girls from other schools. This is already a huge advantage. It really takes a lot a lot more effort to get just one more point when near the top, let alone 12 points. Law of diminishing return. So, I think parents with DDs in NYPS, should already be contented to have this advantage. This is a meritocracy system. By giving this 12 points advantage, in my opinion, it creates imbalance in the system. Girls who really enter NYGH with 250 may end up suffering because of inability to compete. So, parents should really think hard if this is what they want their DDs to go through. My humble opinion. Pls don't throw fire at me.
Every year many parents try to get their gal to NYPS or transfer to NYPS from another primary school because of this affiliation scheme.
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Snow Crystal:
I believe both mainstreamers and geppers may face frustration and feel a sense of insecurity, although maybe in different areas.
Most welcome. We come here to care and share. Being a parent of mainstreamer kids, I fully understand most of the frustrations and insecurity they face. Jiayou to all mainstreamers!mamona:
Above is very encouraging statement for the mainstreamers. Thanks for such statement.
For the geppers, they are still trying to complete their SS portfoilio submission and FPS project. In August, they will have to sit for SS exams and they must pass it. I just feel that they are not really \"preparing\" for PSLE yet .
So parents of mainstreamers and geppers, don't worry too much as our kids are in the same boat. What the children need are our support and encouragement.
Good luck to all the P6's! -
Snow Crystal:
The non-transferable DSA rule has been tightened. No one will apply DSA to a school if they have no intention of choosing the school now. A GEP NYPS girl apply for both NYHS and RGS is common as she need another option mah what if she get rejected from NYHS due to some misinterpretation during her DSA interview. Likewise for those applying RI and HCI. All schools want to attract top top students with their special programme, so it is wrong for the school to make any guessing and not to offer the DSA to a students just because he/she has also applied for the other one.
Maybe it's due to the earlier batches of non GEP NYPS students 'ditching' the NYGH COs by accepting RGS or NUSH COs eventually. This is called 'once bitten, twice shy' - NYGH must have quite a number of rejected COs from this group of children who have multiple COs. Thus, before parents blame NYGH for not giving NYPS face or value them, please investigate past history if this was the case. Well, the sec schools have to wise up too... They also don't like to be taken for a ride. Eg another IP NJC also rejects many GEPs and high performing mainstreamers as they must have experienced high rejection rate previously from these groups for their COs. From the sch's angle, COs are precious and they would rather give to those with lower chance of multiple COs or who have really demonstrated commitment to accept CO if offered probably during interview. There is no point organizing such an elaborate DSA and then face rejection of their very precious COs. Also, most importantly NYGH is an affiliated sec sch of NYPS, so NYPS girls need only 250 (including HCL bonus point) to enter via PSLE S1. Thus if NYGH ascertain that the girls are of 250+ calibre, why give to them CO, might as well give to other school girls who may not meet 262 high S1 COP but with talents that NYGH wants. I guess if the parents think from a broader big picture and from their sister school NYGH's angle, it should not be difficult to understand NYGH's perceived 'reluctance' to give NYPS mainstreamers COs. In fact, a NYPS girl in a top class capable of achieving say 255++ and above PSLE score should not need to apply to NYGH DSA...perhaps to us outsiders that is the puzzling part
Also, as an outsider, it's also surprising to hear affiliated pri Sch thinking this way of their affiliated sec Sch. Wouldn't most like to continue to NYGH due to sense of affinity and belonging? All the best to the PSLE! -
Otah:
RGS has not have such affiliation scheme for their old girls even their DSA are given to those achieve good results for GEP or sport talented students and the rest enter via PSLE merit. To ensure the high ability students they accept are the top top ones, may be NYGH also going along this line. Not to forget the final competition at the two end schools is a always 'A' level results mah.[/quote]RGS does not have any affiliated primary school. A lot of people mistakenly assume that RGPS is affiliated to RGS. It is not.
Not raised ...yet... :evil:Snow Crystal:
[quote=\"jtoh\"]
I thought the preferential COP for NYPS to NYGH is 250? Has it been raised?
No lah, it's still 250. Whylikethat888 is using my earlier example of 255 - I had mentioned that a NYPS girl in top class capable of scoring 255 and above (quite safe number) for PSLE usually may not even need to apply NYGH DSA... -
KS4Son:
Thank you for all the comments, particularly to Snow Crystal.
With this affiliation, girls from NYPS already has 12 point advantage over girls from other schools. This is already a huge advantage. It really takes a lot a lot more effort to get just one more point when near the top, let alone 12 points. Law of diminishing return. So, I think parents with DDs in NYPS, should already be contented to have this advantage. This is a meritocracy system. By giving this 12 points advantage, in my opinion, it creates imbalance in the system. Girls who really enter NYGH with 250 may end up suffering because of inability to compete. So, parents should really think hard if this is what they want their DDs to go through. My humble opinion. Pls don't throw fire at me.Kiasucy:
Every year many parents try to get their gal to NYPS or transfer to NYPS from another primary school because of this affiliation scheme.
No one is saying that the NYPS girls do not appreciate the lower COP but the fact remains - WHY does everyone try to DSA in the first place...this includes the GEPers ? It is for a peace of mind. Also, many other good and reputable schools such as SCGS and MGS have even much lower COPs for their sister primary schools. A 20-25point difference in COP explains why their affiliated primary students accept that DSA should be kept for kids from other schools because a huge number will and do get in. I am not advocating this for NYGH, dont get me wrong. Do these schools have less able and less outstanding students in the long run? Aside from branding and elitism, I think many people would say that both schools are great schools with history, traditions and strong sense of belonging.
My point was never about the COP. It was about DSA.
Perhaps, it would help if you put yourself in these NYPS Tweens' position.
The kids nowadays are very smart and much more matured than kids born 20 years ago. They know exactly who from the 2011 cohort went to what school, why & many individuals' PSLE scores. They ask why so and so, no matter how outstanding/ talented at NYPS was rejected by NYGH. They know that quite a few who were rejected by NYGH during the DSA phase ( some via CCa and some via academics) subsequently performed very well at PSLE but because they were hurt and disappointed, they automatically moved to RGS/ NUSH to prove their point. The feeling that they are disadvantaged at DSA, ironically, encourages them to try DSA into other schools in the first place. It's a double whammy.
Some may say they are childish but if it were you, the adult, the response may not have been so different. They are after all human. They have feelings and they know when they are being taken for granted especially when they are constantly reminded to be so grateful for the lower COP.Everyone knows that anything can happen on exam day and marks can be volatile even for the top 10-20% of the cohort.
They KNOW that they are disadvantaged when it's comes to direct admission into their own sister school, NYGH. They talk about it all the time ! They also know that rival schools such as RGS would be quite happy to take them if it could. The psychological impact of feeling disadvantaged at DSA by their sister school is under estimated. Perhaps, the answer is balance. The need to balance what is good for NYGH in terms of medals and what is good for the overall Nanyang spirit. -
peterch:
Love iPad:
Which sport is it? Tot kids need to be short listed before allow to go for trial.
Basketball. That's the way they did for years and I think they are the only one who do that
I think ... they are not only one... other sport also same concept.... different school has diff way of selection method.... some time coach already familier with kids by seeing them in other competation/friendly match performance, etc... :evil: ...
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