DSA 2012
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why GEP students can get thru DSA easily? even interview fail, these students clinch a place.
We need a transparency from the way MOE produce the results of PSLE. New South Wales results are very impressive, they list down which part of domain that are weak, etc. -
slmkhoo:
Thx!
Based on 2011: RGS is one, and I believe RI too. Non-GEP students took GAT and some were selected to take a subject test. They had to indicate the subject choice in their application. No category for 'general academic' - it had to be one of the 4 PSLE subjects and the rubri said they had to demonstrate high ability (can't remember the exact wording) in that test. Another school my daughter applied to had all applicants take HAST and then selected ones had an interview. No differentiation between GEP and non-GEP.Nebbermind:
which are the schools which have DSA for specific subjects?
So far those few that I've checked just mentioned a generic GAT/HAST/??Test and didn't see any mention of specific subjects. -
slmkhoo:
That particular SUBJECT test must be how many marks? need to show P5 and P6 report book?
Based on 2011: RGS is one, and I believe RI too. Non-GEP students took GAT and some were selected to take a subject test. They had to indicate the subject choice in their application. No category for 'general academic' - it had to be one of the 4 PSLE subjects and the rubri said they had to demonstrate high ability (can't remember the exact wording) in that test. Another school my daughter applied to had all applicants take HAST and then selected ones had an interview. No differentiation between GEP and non-GEP. -
octoberbaby:
On what basis are you saying that GEP students \"get thru DSA easily? Is there a statistics to show that?why GEP students can get thru DSA easily? even interview fail, these students clinch a place.
We need a transparency from the way MOE produce the results of PSLE. New South Wales results are very impressive, they list down which part of domain that are weak, etc.
From my child's class, I learn there are GEP students who have scored reasonably well in exams but failed to get offer from some schools.
My heart goes to these students who have to work extra hard to meet the demands and rigour of the GEP and it's own exams and to to only start preparing for the PSLE only after the 2nd semester, unlike their maintsream counterparts who have started preparing since day one of P6.
I'm not saying it's about being fair or unfair but I wish for those who are making baseless sweeping statements about what the advantage GEP students have over others to be more more perspective and sensitive. Afterall, GEP students are still P6 students who happen to be in the GEP but still need to take the PSLE just like others.
It's not mine intention to offend anyone but am just asking for a more balanced view. Thank you and sorry if I have offended anyone by this post. -
actually hor, I'm quite certain that many of those who were rejected only went for the top 4 schools. As can be seen in this discussion, the schools mentioned seemed to be almost always RI/HCI for the boys and NY/RGS for the girls. Had they gone for some other schools, their chance would prolly be times better.
This, of course, is only my 2 cents!
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octoberbaby:
Let's not make baseless sweeping statements.why GEP students can get thru DSA easily? even interview fail, these students clinch a place.
We need a transparency from the way MOE produce the results of PSLE. New South Wales results are very impressive, they list down which part of domain that are weak, etc. -
jtoh:
I know of some GEP who don't get into NUSH thru test 1 and some not even WL in round 2. And GEPers are no more than 500- split that into all IP schools, main streamers are not at disadvantage and still have plenty of chances.
Let's not make baseless sweeping statements.octoberbaby:
why GEP students can get thru DSA easily? even interview fail, these students clinch a place.
We need a transparency from the way MOE produce the results of PSLE. New South Wales results are very impressive, they list down which part of domain that are weak, etc. -
walterp:
I know of some GEP who don't get into NUSH thru test 1 and some not even WL in round 2. And GEPers are no more than 500- split that into all IP schools, main streamers are not at disadvantage and still have plenty of chances.[/quote]The split between IP schools is not even, concentrated in a few, that could be why people feel that they took up a lot of places. But even if they make all GEP kids go through exactly the same admission process as the mainstream, those who did well in GEP programme will still be selected. Not much difference lah.
Let's not make baseless sweeping statements.jtoh:
[quote=\"octoberbaby\"]why GEP students can get thru DSA easily? even interview fail, these students clinch a place.
We need a transparency from the way MOE produce the results of PSLE. New South Wales results are very impressive, they list down which part of domain that are weak, etc. -
walterp:
I know of some GEP who don't get into NUSH thru test 1 and some not even WL in round 2. And GEPers are no more than 500- split that into all IP schools, main streamers are not at disadvantage and still have plenty of chances.[/quote]Not all IP schools are equal. Only 2 good IP JCs: RI and HCI. Most GEP will target these 2 schools. Top schools prefer GEP students as they are considered genius from pri 3. Main streamers are only mediocre people. Correct me if I am wrong.
Let's not make baseless sweeping statements.jtoh:
[quote=\"octoberbaby\"]why GEP students can get thru DSA easily? even interview fail, these students clinch a place.
We need a transparency from the way MOE produce the results of PSLE. New South Wales results are very impressive, they list down which part of domain that are weak, etc.
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sinoboy:
My two cents worth.....
Not all IP schools are equal. Only 2 good IP JCs: RI and HCI. Most GEP will target these 2 schools. Top schools prefer GEP students as they are considered genius from pri 3. Main streamers are only mediocre people. Correct me if I am wrong.
GEPers are pupils identified through two tests in P3 to have the potential for higher learning. And although there are perceived better IP schools (include RGS and NYGS for a good measure), not all GEPers make it or choose to be in those schools; a good number will also head towards schools that offer IB and Diploma (NUSH) programmes and this would trend up.
Non-GEPers who may possess high learning ability could surface through PLSE result or GAT (if they apply for DSA). Some IP schools group such pupils together with the GEPers in the same class (DHS has two such classes). And to say GEPers are geniuses is not entirely correct because there are students in DHS from two SBSG classes dropping out to 'O' level classes because of poor academic performance.
So why is this reasoning that GEPers are geniuses is not entirely correct? A possible reason is that those two tests they had gone through in P3 concentrate on the Maths, English and general ability. In Sec schools however, a lot more subjects such as Geography, History, Literature, and so on go into the mix. This is one reason why many had said that PSLE T-score counts for nothing once a pupil progress to Sec School.
GEPers had earned their keep and justifiably so, if you care to find out what they have to go through compared to non-GEPers. Therefore, we should not begrudge this 1% of national cohort for vying for DSA places in their schools of choice. However, they may be a special group of pupils but they are not necessarily geniuses.
I believe schools such as RI do attempt to identify geniuses in specific areas by offering DSA for specific subjects such as Maths, and this is open to both GEPers and non_GEPers. To me this is the closet process to identifying geniuses, not the P3 GE process.
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