Teach Less, Learn More
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[quote]D'ya think a heart to heart chat with the teacher might help?
Let the feedback flow out more like you truly need her motivation
to move mountains with your DS... reverse psychology does work..
Plus teachers are kinda overworked with the load they're carrying.. [/quote]Hi buds, I agree with you that effective parent-teacher communication is important and my son certainly benefitted a lot from this for the past three years. However, for this year, I struggled for very long whether to see the teacher and have a heart to heart talk esp after seeing him so depressed but decided against the idea. Firstly, this teacher has more than 30 years of teaching experience, surely she will know better how to motivate kids. I believe she is under a lot of pressure from the new P who gives me the impression that result is what she wants to see. Secondly, if son's confidence could be shaken so easily, it shows that he is not mentally strong. This is perhaps a good opportunity for him to learn how to handle the problem on his own, with some support from me lah of course. The positive thing I see now is that every nite when I come home, he will say, \"Mummy, quick, come and go through Maths with me cos teacher is teaching this new topic tomorrow.\" :lol: He is afraid to be scolded or embarassed again if he makes mistakes. :scared: Just hope he can put in some effort if he thinks that he deserves a place in the top class. If not, next year he will have to say bye bye to his best buddy.
If he can't make it, mummy will still adore him as he is
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ppnqq:
Ahem, IMHO, she may not be referring to 'that' part but rather 'the other', like those in your.. avatar? Seriously, I can imagine myself being suffocated 'in there'. :politebleah: :siam:[/quote]Aiyo, all of u tink too much lah. IM juz referring to 2 v active contributors (sori got to gif them e credit agn cos keep reading their threadbuds:
[quote=\"cantbearit2\"]haha....tis thread has attracted 2 heavyweights. 1st there was Buds, then now come Tamarind. Hee.... :lol:
You guys.. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php
Did she just call me heavy... weight...? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php
Oh no! I shouldn't have downed both the Haagen D's Belgian Chocs..
) of KSP forum lah. Not weight & err....body part lor.... haha.... :lol:
Now tat buds mention abt neighbourhood sch, there is somethg I will like to share.
Juz came back fr my family doc. He is v kind to share his views abt our ED sys. Although both his DS is in a branded sch, he does not wan to send his youngest DD (3 y.o. now) to one in future.
Reason quoted by him being, his DS sch presumes everyone had some form of enrichm (learn more) so T dun have to teach as much (teach less). :frustrated:
He did his research & compare notes wif some of his frenz who sent their kids to neighbourhood sch. He realised that some of these neighbourhood schs actually had more enrichm (not necessarily equate more stress) for their students compared wif his DS sch. Although he said he's not sure abt other branded schs but tis is definitely e case for his DS sch. In conclusion, he warned me not 2b too concern abt elite sch. Instead focus on wat e sch had to offer in terms of their prog. So i guess although TLLM is MOE's direction but diff schs may execute it in vastly diff manner. Let's hope MOE is fine tuning their execution
For those caught in tis teething period & not getting e help fr T & P aft open comm, ι θͺε ya?!
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buds:
haha...mayb I saw too many teachers who r juz doing their job
True. True. But don't tell me in say 10 Primary 1 classes in a school, 9
of them are hopeless cases? :!:
I mean, we gotta also be fair to the teaching pool for we may not know
their side of the coin. We shouldn't generalise or stereotype ALL teachers
to be so, just cos we got one or two bad ones, while i do not deny that 1 or
2 is depressing enough and bad enough for it can spiral down a child's
motivation faster than a tunnel slide... and not to mention it will be hard
to build it back up once again.
This can be avoided if the teacher allows for effective communication, not
just open communication... it HAS to be effective.
& P does not gif clear guidelines to e teachings in sch. I have met up wif some P prior to PV application b4 DD1's registration & was impressed wif some, disappointed wif lots. Mayb my expectations was too high. :lol:
I always held great admiration for educators wif passion. My DH's aunt was a P wif a heart. Her passion is contagious. Her 3 daughters R v well brought up. Patient, caring, respectful, helpful and still fun loving and creative. Unfortunately tis aunt was promoted & trf to MOE HQ so no longer a P.
I was also impressed wif another neighbourhood sch P who ans all my Q sincerely wif honesty.
So all is not lost to these educators. Guess it's pretty stress being a teacher these days??? I really have to hand it to those T who still have e fire in them aft many yrs. of teaching. :salute:buds:
:thankyou:
Finally broke my fast with that loooooong sharing..
Hope it didn't bore anyone.. paiseh. :oops:
Just thought to throw in some balance.
I nv get bored wif your postings lah, juz wish for more. :evil: IM currently reading e Montessori thread wif lots of inputs fr u.
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Chenonceau:
Actually my experience is pretty much similar to yours. While we both believe in the concept of \"Teach Less, Learn More\" and its merits, we both see that it is not exactly working out in the schools currently other than bud's school.
I have experienced your perspective first hand; and my son and I are both in pain in his P5 year.ksi:
Teach Less is true....Learn More is false for the majority so the effect of this scheme is currently Teach Less Learn Less but More is still expected in exam questions.
Teach Less Learn less but More is required in exams.
I've also experienced Teach Less Learn More first hand because I am trained to Teach Less so that my clients can learn more. I've used the methods with my son for fun, and interestingly, the 2 subjects where we did this are also the 2 where he continues to score in P5.
It could really be a case of our batches being caught in transition? It's a pity but judging from Buds' experience, it may be that the system is correcting itself and as it develops and gets stronger things will get better.
Meanwhile, we'll just have to try and manage as best we can? Maybe lah...
I believe the implementation of this was bad. It was not taken in stages but in a big bang fashion. There are 3 fundamental problems here:
1. Teachers are not ready to execute this properly. Some use it as a reason to totally not teach in class. The lack of understanding is severe to its execution.
2. Schools are not ready to roll out fully to all as this requires solid planning and strong communication to rope in parents' help to complement it.
3. This approach is good to begin for stronger learners and then to be modified accordingly for the weaker learners and then to roll out in mass once the middle point is established.
Maybe 10 years down the road it gets corrected but as of now we have to suffer it's inefficiency first. I know we have been accused of \"spoon-feeding\" for many years but to swing to the other extreme is just transferring the issue from one end of the spectrum to another.
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ksi:
Actually my experience is pretty much similar to yours. While we both believe in the concept of \"Teach Less, Learn More\" and its merits, we both see that it is not exactly working out in the schools currently other than bud's school.
I believe the implementation of this was bad. It was not taken in stages but in a big bang fashion. There are 3 fundamental problems here:
1. Teachers are not ready to execute this properly. Some use it as a reason to totally not teach in class. The lack of understanding is severe to its execution.
Agree. You've expressed it far better than I could.
2. Schools are not ready to roll out fully to all as this requires solid planning and strong communication to rope in parents' help to complement it.
Agree. You've expressed it far better than I could. In addition to the point you raised, I would add that I would be concerned if parental involvement were a MUST for a child to succeed. The moment success hinges on parental involvement, we would lose the top talent we might otherwise find from the pool of under-privileged children whose parents may not care, may be absent, may have no time, may have no money to buy another's involvement in their child's education, may be dead or may be in jail. There should be a way to ensure that schools can teach independently and sufficiently. That way, under-privileged kids can continue to have an open path to success.
Maybe 10 years down the road it gets corrected but as of now we have to suffer it's inefficiency first. I know we have been accused of \"spoon-feeding\" for many years but to swing to the other extreme is just transferring the issue from one end of the spectrum to another. Agree. You've expressed it far better than I could.
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cantbearit2:
Aiyo, all of u tink too much lah. IM juz referring to 2 v active contributors (sori got to gif them e credit agn cos keep reading their thread
Ahem, IMHO, she may not be referring to 'that' part but rather 'the other', like those in your.. avatar? Seriously, I can imagine myself being suffocated 'in there'. :politebleah: :siam:ppnqq:
[quote=\"buds\"]
You guys.. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php
Did she just call me heavy... weight...? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php
Oh no! I shouldn't have downed both the Haagen D's Belgian Chocs.. ) of KSP forum lah. Not weight & err....body part lor.... haha.... :lol:
Now tat buds mention abt neighbourhood sch, there is somethg I will like to share.
Juz came back fr my family doc. He is v kind to share his views abt our ED sys. Although both his DS is in a branded sch, he does not wan to send his youngest DD (3 y.o. now) to one in future.
Reason quoted by him being, his DS sch presumes everyone had some form of enrichm (learn more) so T dun have to teach as much (teach less). :frustrated:
He did his research & compare notes wif some of his frenz who sent their kids to neighbourhood sch. He realised that some of these neighbourhood schs actually had more enrichm (not necessarily equate more stress) for their students compared wif his DS sch. Although he said he's not sure abt other branded schs but tis is definitely e case for his DS sch. In conclusion, he warned me not 2b too concern abt elite sch. Instead focus on wat e sch had to offer in terms of their prog. So i guess although TLLM is MOE's direction but diff schs may execute it in vastly diff manner. Let's hope MOE is fine tuning their execution
For those caught in tis teething period & not getting e help fr T & P aft open comm, ι θͺε ya?![/quote]Happened to my friend too... an airline pilot.
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cantbearit2:
Aiyo, all of u tink too much lah. IM juz referring to 2 v active contributors (sori got to gif them e credit agn cos keep reading their thread
Ahem, IMHO, she may not be referring to 'that' part but rather 'the other', like those in your.. avatar? Seriously, I can imagine myself being suffocated 'in there'. :politebleah: :siam:ppnqq:
[quote=\"buds\"]
You guys.. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php
Did she just call me heavy... weight...? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) of KSP forum lah. Not weight & err....body part lor.... haha.... :lol:[/quote]We're all pulling your leg lah darling.. :lol:cantbearit2:
This comparison is still subjective to the school the kind doc made hisNow tat buds mention abt neighbourhood sch, there is somethg I will like to share.
Juz came back fr my family doc. He is v kind to share his views abt our ED sys. Although both his DS is in a branded sch, he does not wan to send his youngest DD (3 y.o. now) to one in future.
Reason quoted by him being, his DS sch presumes everyone had some form of enrichm (learn more) so T dun have to teach as much (teach less). :frustrated:
He did his research & compare notes wif some of his frenz who sent their kids to neighbourhood sch. He realised that some of these neighbourhood schs actually had more enrichm (not necessarily equate more stress) for their students compared wif his DS sch. Although he said he's not sure abt other branded schs but tis is definitely e case for his DS sch. In conclusion, he warned me not 2b too concern abt elite sch. Instead focus on wat e sch had to offer in terms of their prog. So i guess although TLLM is MOE's direction but diff schs may execute it in vastly diff manner. Let's hope MOE is fine tuning their execution
observations with too.. for perhaps he too, happened to pick up from
another good neighbourhood school's Teach Less Learn More structure.
As for the fine tuning, don't think it's MOE that's a primary agency entirely
to look into the execution for the execution had already been executed.. :lol:
.. but rather MOE should look into perhaps conducting spot checks on their
pool of teachers... speak with P's more often to follow up on this Teach Less
Learn More concept and discuss how to better it, since it's already in motion
anyway. Like how others have input, there should be a form of appraisal in
place to observe the progress put into place with this new idea and how it's
catching on with the teaching power ... discuss on the resources or plans to
improve the structure or the flow of lessons for schools that may not come
up strong on that appraisal charts. Teachers found guilty of not delivering the
idea holistically may perhaps be sent for an exchange program with another
school to see how things should be done or follow a mentorship pgrm to help
him/her see the idea in a fresh perspective so that he/she can come back to
serve his/her school with a new pair of eyes... and of course... heart.cantbearit2:
Yes, hang in there.. i like to believe that there is nothing so impossible thatFor those caught in tis teething period & not getting e help fr T & P aft open comm, ι θͺε ya?!
cannot be resolved.. but i do agree time CAN be a major factor, unfortunately.
Parents should hopefully see constructive feedback as at least one of the
ways.. in which; how their small voices can be heard and project a need
to perhaps run some inquiries into under-performing or non-performing
staff. Everyone needs some help along the way regardless or not they
indeed know they need it. I choose to see it positively whereby some
teachers may be overwhelmed by the new idea with a relatively still
large class size that it may come across as not being receptive to
the idea as a whole and hence executing the delivery of lessons
reverse as to how it was supposed to be implemented.
Then again, in all extremes... it can also be that some teachers are indeed
way off... when it comes to delivery which directly questions their passion
for still being in this industry.. these are the bo-chaps who do spoil the
basket of good apples.. and mind you, doesn't apply to just teachers
pe se... but there are bo-chaps in all forms of occupation and not
just in the teaching profession. -
Chenonceau:
I realised this a decade ago, hence why I chose a neighbourhood school over a branded one - one which had a policy of helping every child.
Happened to my friend too... an airline pilot.cantbearit2:
Juz came back fr my family doc. He is v kind to share his views abt our ED sys. Although both his DS is in a branded sch, he does not wan to send his youngest DD (3 y.o. now) to one in future.
Reason quoted by him being, his DS sch presumes everyone had some form of enrichm (learn more) so T dun have to teach as much (teach less). :frustrated:
He did his research & compare notes wif some of his frenz who sent their kids to neighbourhood sch. He realised that some of these neighbourhood schs actually had more enrichm (not necessarily equate more stress) for their students compared wif his DS sch. Although he said he's not sure abt other branded schs but tis is definitely e case for his DS sch. In conclusion, he warned me not 2b too concern abt elite sch. Instead focus on wat e sch had to offer in terms of their prog. So i guess although TLLM is MOE's direction but diff schs may execute it in vastly diff manner. Let's hope MOE is fine tuning their execution
For those caught in tis teething period & not getting e help fr T & P aft open comm, ι θͺε ya?!
They only stream based on result at P5 & P6.
The shortfall is... as DD is in the best class at P5... the teacher is not teaching nor helping as much as the other classes for the same reason (as what happens in branded schools). Most kids in her class have enrichment (or super stay at home mums) and are way ahead of syllabus!
I was expecting the teacher to help more in compo as I cannot help her much BUT as the rest are way ahead, she's left playing catch up. She's shared some of the super compos, full of techniques... and when I asked DD if these were taught in school she said \"no\". -
buds:
True. True. But don't tell me in say 10 Primary 1 classes in a school, 9
of them are hopeless cases? :!:cantbearit2:
Not just teachers, hun. Many out there are doing their jobs for the sake ofhaha...mayb I saw too many teachers who r juz doing their job
& P does not gif clear guidelines to e teachings in sch. I have met up wif some P prior to PV application b4 DD1's registration & was impressed wif some, disappointed wif lots.
it.. that's for sure. I've done a few different stints myself to know that this
mentality exist in every profession there is. Yes, i agree... to a certain
extent, P's should be in place to also provide guidance and steer their
teachers along.. assistance should be rendered as promptly as possible to
seemingly lost souls worth the second chances and to succeed in ensuring
this happens, we now need P's passionate enough to lead this cause as well.
Parents need P's who are around to ensure the children's needs are
met in the best standards possible, be it in a neighbourhood OR a banded
school. This brings us to the same point where there can be P's who are
also there for the sake of the status or rank of the job. :roll: I've personally
encountered totally closed-door ones who display the syndrome of... if got
anything, ask my teachers and staff... go attack my front line ... dun come
suka suka knocking my office door with your complains... go to MOE and
see if i care..
These kinds can really make me :x.cantbearit2:
Dear arh... at least you are the first one brave enough to admit that justMayb my expectations was too high. :lol:
mebbe and reali just mebbe... high expectations are also a factor in this
case. :lol: Teheehee..buds:
I mean, we gotta also be fair to the teaching pool for we may not know their side of the coin. We shouldn't generalise or stereotype ALL teachers to be so, just cos we got one or two bad ones, while i do not deny that 1 or 2 is depressing enough and bad enough for it can spiral down a child's motivation faster than a tunnel slide... and not to mention it will be hard to build it back up once again.
cantbearit2:
Educators with passion... hmmm... there are darling.. trust me.. there are. :hugs:I always held great admiration for educators wif passion. My DH's aunt was a P wif a heart. Her passion is contagious. Her 3 daughters R v well brought up. Patient, caring, respectful, helpful and still fun loving and creative. Unfortunately tis aunt was promoted & trf to MOE HQ so no longer a P.
I was also impressed wif another neighbourhood sch P who ans all my Q sincerely wif honesty.
So all is not lost to these educators. Guess it's pretty stress being a teacher these days??? I really have to hand it to those T who still have e fire in them aft many yrs. of teaching. :salute:
Oh no no.. :dowan: I definitely hope all is not lost!
For our children
are our future and without educators who will help us educate our children
while we climb our own ladder to fill our rice bowls. Not every other person
can afford to stay home and help educate.. so yes, wherever possible do
look into discuss to resolve rather than finger pointing that gets nothin done.
Not just to bet on hope but to really bank in on constructive changes where
it is required.buds:
:thankyou:
Finally broke my fast with that loooooong sharing..
Hope it didn't bore anyone.. paiseh. :oops:
Just thought to throw in some balance.cantbearit2:
:please: Thank you for appreciating my sharings. I hope to inspire parentsI nv get bored wif your postings lah, juz wish for more. :evil: IM currently reading e Montessori thread wif lots of inputs fr u.
that early education is important for laying the foundation in our children &
that Montessori can offer that holistic approach to encompass the needs of
the growing child... It's not just about being academic. Children need more
than just book knowledge. There are many life skills that can be imparted
to them and will definitely serve them well for what the future holds.
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