PM Lee says S'pore must study nuclear option
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On 2nd thought... if our neighbour is gonna build nuclear plants... I would rather SG build one... cos' either way, we will die from nuclear... only sooner or later.
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markfch:
The nuclear power station can be built under the ground in an offshore island, for example.
What if figurative speaking, a rogue regime takes over our neighbouring country and sends a missile right into our reactor? Or a hijacked plane crashes into it? Unless I can be convinced that modern 4th gen nuclear reactors can withstand such an attack, it'll always be extremely unnerving to me.MummyThreeStreams:
I haven't made up my mind about nuclear energy in Singapore's context.
But in response to those who say that we should seek to reduce our energy consumption, I'd like to highlight that while that is surely a worthy goal (and something that government has been gradually encouraging), it relies on many individuals and their enlightened self-interest. The government cannot sit around and wait, hoping for all Singaporeans to reduce, reuse and recycle. What if it never happens?
And the simple reason for my fear - don't think I'm superstitious - is, we must always prepare for the worst scenario. And in the worst scenario, there is nowhere for us to run. -
WeiHan:
Yes I know it's not just about entertainment. It encompasses medical, manufacturing, electronics, trading, banking, agriculture, communications, warfare, heck every aspects of life, working and liesure is supported by technology one way or another, directly or indirectly.
Your idea about growing food is good because we are getting lack of food worldwide. But even for growing food nowaday, we are talking about using modern technology to make the growing and harvesting economical. Without being economical would mean that your output is small and that will mean that you will be making peanut, the real peanut, not that BIG peanut.SAHM_TAN:
Grow organic foodstuff and earn $$$$, create back-to nature homestay, sure to attract many pple. The kampong homestay in M'sia is gaining popularity.
I also dun have big plasma tv. I think we are offered so many technological stuff that many think we will get bored or become helpless without them. I don't like 3D cinema, nor see the need to buy a 3D tv at home. I'm surrounded by 3D in real life, why do I need to buy?
I don't have cable, no PSP, no ipad, no gaming, no iphone , you get the idea. I'm not against technology but there's no need to be slave to it.
When we are talking about technology, don't be limited and misled that it just means plasma tv and internet connection for entertainment purpose. These technology which includes transportation, agriculture, fast communication etc..actually reduce the cost of business which translates to productivity which in turn translate to products including those food and daily necessities that feed the world population. Without modern technology, world production will be so low that most people will live under the poverty line.
We are in fact dependent on technology to be able to provide this huge world population a reasonable comfortable life. Without them, most people in the world will be struggling even to live a decent life. I hope you understand what I meant. Technology today isn't just about entertainment.
Our food is not real anymore, they are modified to grow better, to \"defend\" against insects, to be harvested all year round. I know I know, the population, the hunger. But there is still hunger, pple still die of hunger, does it mean we do not have enough technology or that we are not managing the politics and food well or that it's the particular country's fault?
Economics and productivity is not about keeping pple fed, it's about wealth generation and power, and therein lies the problem.
There are many levels of technology.
We have different perspectives on what's a sustainable lifestyle.
There's the economic and personal aspects. I think on the personal level, we can make choices to depend less on technology that has bigger impact on the environment. For EXAMPLE: there's no reason why we can't cycle, no ERP, no road tax, no COE, and other expenses, now isn't that a big plus? Of course if there's a critical mass for cycling, then the gvt will rule that cyclist must pay ERP, COE, road tax too. :lol: A joke maybe or maybe not. :lol:
I just like to think why not possible to live in another manner, it does not have to be so extreme as to love earth must live in village, must go hungry. It is not always just one way, die die must do it this way or that way. -
WeiHan:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PeZPuGsj3vo/0.jpg\"> whatche talking about Wei Han?
ksi. There are not much incentives for you to stay in a modern city then. It might be better for you to migrate to a remote village. However, living in a village not only meant forsake certain technological luxuries but you will have to put up with \"low technological\" jobs to make a living.
I am simply stating that I am adaptable. :laugh: Why should I need incentives to live in a place I call home? I have contributed significantly to the modernization of this city. In fact, I do share some regrets in driving the acceleration with the vision. :lol: Of course if I have not done it, someone else would still have done it, a matter of time. -
MummyThreeStreams:
Reduce Re-use Recycle, tio, but we dont care....
cannot sit around and wait, hoping for all Singaporeans to reduce, reuse and recycle. What if it never happens?
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our children's problem? I not sure, I worry oso.
nuclear energy scary, but what else can singapore rely on?
solar panels on HDB rooftop is not enough to power the lifts.
we walk the stairs? -
wapobs:
I agree. If they are so successful in driving 'two is enough', 'Speak Mandarin, no dialects\"...they can also drive 'reduce, reuse and recycle'....I believe in them....
Reduce Re-use Recycle, tio, but we dont care.MummyThreeStreams:
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cannot sit around and wait, hoping for all Singaporeans to reduce, reuse and recycle. What if it never happens?
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our children's problem? I not sure, I worry oso.
nuclear energy scary, but what else can singapore rely on?
solar panels on HDB rooftop is not enough to power the lifts.
we walk the stairs? -
ksi:
I was about to say that.....even if many of us are adaptable and don't mind shifting to remote villages, wouldn't villages be over populated then, just like the cities, and will acquire many of the problems that modern cities have?
I am simply stating that I am adaptable. :laugh: Why should I need incentives to live in a place I call home? I have contributed significantly to the modernization of this city. In fact, I do share some regrets in driving the acceleration with the vision. :lol: Of course if I have not done it, someone else would still have done it, a matter of time. -
Bad news. The Fuku disaster just got worst. Just when we thought things are under control; this latest news is really freaking me out.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8565020/Nuclear-fuel-has-melted-through-base-of-Fukushima-plant.html
Nuclear fuel has melted through base of Fukushima plant
The nuclear fuel in three of the reactors at the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant has melted through the base of the pressure vessels and is pooling in the outer containment vessels, according to a report by the Japanese government.
Cracks where air is leaking on the main exhaust duct of the No.4 reactor at the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant Photo: REUTERS
By Julian Ryall, Tokyo
1:06AM BST 09 Jun 2011
The findings of the report, which has been given to the International Atomic Energy Agency, were revealed by the Yomiuri newspaper, which described a \"melt-through\" as being \"far worse than a core meltdown\" and \"the worst possibility in a nuclear accident.\"
A spokesman for Tokyo Electric Power Co. said the company is presently revising the road-map for bringing the plant under control, including the time required to achieve cold shutdown of the reactors.
In a best-case scenario, the company says it will be able to achieve that by October, although that may have to be revised in light of the report.
Water that was pumped into the pressure vessels to cool the fuel rods, becoming highly radioactive in the process, has been confirmed to have leaked out of the containment vessels and outside the buildings that house the reactors.
Tepco said it is trying to contain the contaminated water and prevent it from leaking into the sea, but elevated levels of radiation have been confirmed in the ocean off the plant.
The radiation will also have contaminated the soil and plant and animal life around the facility, making the task of cleaning up more difficult and expensive, as well as taking longer.
The experts have also yet to come up with a plan for decommissioning the ruined plant. Studies have estimated that the cost of the accident at Fukushima may rise as high as $250 billion over the next 10 years.
The pressure vessel of the No. 1 reactor is now believed to have suffered damage just five hours after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, contrary to an estimation released by Tepco, which estimated the failure at 15 hours later.
Melt-downs of the fuel in the No. 2 and No. 3 reactors followed over the following days with the molten fuel collecting at the bottom of the pressure vessels before burning through and into the external steel containment vessels.
The fuel appears to be stable at present as it is being cooled by water pumped into the vessels, although it will complicate the emergency recovery plan put forward by the government.
The report comes after Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency doubled its initial estimate of the amount of radioactivity that was released from the plant in the days immediately after it was destroyed by the tsunami.
In early April, the agency said some 370,000 terabecquerels escaped from the facility. It now believes that figure was 770,000 terabecquerels. One terabecquerel is a trillion becquerels, the standard measure of radiation, while the permissible level of iodine-131 for vegetables and fish is 2,000 becquerels per kilogram.
Combined, the two announcements will raise further questions about the true scale of the problem at the plant and the measures being taken to get the situation under control.
\"The recovery effort at the plant is likely to be more difficult as they will not be able to use their previous plan to contain the fuel,\" Yoshiaki Oka, a professor of nuclear science at Tokyo's Waseda University told The Daily Telegraph.
\"So it may take longer and be more difficult, but it is something they have to do.
\"But we now know that this happened at the very beginning of the accident, so I see no particular additional effects on human health,\" he said. -
" shake head "…
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*worried* :slapshead: