Foreign Workers

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

how about jobs / work that singaporeans shun ?

That is different story..

These FW have been around for so long and there is no complains.. it was the recent mass influx of FTs for PMET jobs that causes the dislike towards FTs.. mainly the EP and S-Pass holders in most cases..

[verykiasu2010]

limlim:

verykiasu2010:

how about jobs / work that singaporeans shun ?

That is different story..

These FW have been around for so long and there is no complains.. it was the recent mass influx of FTs for PMET jobs that causes the dislike towards FTs.. mainly the EP and S-Pass holders in most cases..

so we have to be more specific instead of lumping all foreigners in the same buckets

we need them to do the dirty jobs and lowly jobs and heavy jobs

we need them to bring the investment $$

we need them to show us how to do R&D

(we also need them to bring babies to us, now this one we also no good already .... :rotflmao: )

[Musings]

limlim:

Well, if Japanese firm employee Japanese and American firms employ Americans.. then no issues.. But it is not the case now..


Japanese, American, German, Swiss and Singapore firms are employing PRCs, Pinoys, Indians, Thais.. And for PMETs positions.. that is what many locals are not happy about.

Actually as spouse works in American MNC, it is not true that American MNC will want to hire Americans. They would rather hire Singaporeans because they have to pay less in perks and expat benfits. Only when they cannot find equivalent local expertise, they will bring in someone from overseas.

Even for PMET positions, there are different classes of Employment Pass holders. In particular for the highest class of EP holders P1 class earning >$8k, companies will not want to bring in foreigners under EP if there is equivalent or better Singapore expertise to perform the job because they have to pay perks to foreigners who come in at that level. But often, these are the managerial positions where the foreigners have the expertise to contribute which is lacking amongst Singaporeans.

I would think the squeeze is felt more at the level of the lower end jobs, S Pass holders and Q1 EP holders. But these lower end jobs at least in spouse company involves working in plants and operating machinery in remote part of Spore including on weekends, so very few Singaporeans are keen on it.

Therefore, Singaporeans have to realise that it is either they be less choosy or they have to upgrade their skills so that they have the expertise to take on higher end jobs where foreigners cannot replace them so easily.

This is the reality of gobalisation and instead of keeping the competition away or embark on protectionist measures to only keep the jobs for Singaporeans which is not realistic, we have to find ways to stay ahead of the curve.

[verykiasu2010]

Musings:

limlim:

Well, if Japanese firm employee Japanese and American firms employ Americans.. then no issues.. But it is not the case now..


Japanese, American, German, Swiss and Singapore firms are employing PRCs, Pinoys, Indians, Thais.. And for PMETs positions.. that is what many locals are not happy about.

Actually as spouse works in American MNC, it is not true that American MNC will want to hire Americans. They would rather hire Singaporeans because they have to pay less in perks and expat benfits. Only when they cannot find equivalent local expertise, they will bring in someone from overseas.

Even for PMET positions, there are different classes of Employment Pass holders. In particular for the highest class of EP holders P1 class earning >$8k, companies will not want to bring in foreigners under EP if there is equivalent or better Singapore expertise to perform the job because they have to pay perks to foreigners who come in at that level. But often, these are the managerial positions where the foreigners have the expertise to contribute which is lacking amongst Singaporeans.

I would think the squeeze is felt more at the level of the lower end jobs, S Pass holders and Q1 EP holders. But these lower end jobs at least in spouse company involves working in plants and operating machinery in remote part of Spore including on weekends, so very few Singaporeans are keen on it.

Therefore, Singaporeans have to realise that it is either they be less choosy or they have to upgrade their skills so that they have the expertise to take on higher end jobs where foreigners cannot replace them so easily.

This is the reality of gobalisation and instead of keeping the competition away or embark on protectionist measures to only keep the jobs for Singaporeans which is not realistic, we have to find ways to stay ahead of the curve.

:goodpost: very good musings

[janet88]

Moderators, need your help to spring-clean…I think off topic already.

[Ririan]

Musings:

limlim:

Well, if Japanese firm employee Japanese and American firms employ Americans.. then no issues.. But it is not the case now..


Japanese, American, German, Swiss and Singapore firms are employing PRCs, Pinoys, Indians, Thais.. And for PMETs positions.. that is what many locals are not happy about.

Actually as spouse works in American MNC, it is not true that American MNC will want to hire Americans. They would rather hire Singaporeans because they have to pay less in perks and expat benfits. Only when they cannot find equivalent local expertise, they will bring in someone from overseas.

Even for PMET positions, there are different classes of Employment Pass holders. In particular for the highest class of EP holders P1 class earning >$8k, companies will not want to bring in foreigners under EP if there is equivalent or better Singapore expertise to perform the job because they have to pay perks to foreigners who come in at that level. But often, these are the managerial positions where the foreigners have the expertise to contribute which is lacking amongst Singaporeans.

I would think the squeeze is felt more at the level of the lower end jobs, S Pass holders and Q1 EP holders. But these lower end jobs at least in spouse company involves working in plants and operating machinery in remote part of Spore including on weekends, so very few Singaporeans are keen on it.

Therefore, Singaporeans have to realise that it is either they be less choosy or they have to upgrade their skills so that they have the expertise to take on higher end jobs where foreigners cannot replace them so easily.

This is the reality of gobalisation and instead of keeping the competition away or embark on protectionist measures to only keep the jobs for Singaporeans which is not realistic, we have to find ways to stay ahead of the curve.

Totally agree! :goodpost:

[markfch]

Musings & Ririan,


I think there is a cut-and-paste error in your posts. I didn’t say those things that was attributed to me. My original post was deleted and limlim’s subsequent reply was attributed to me.

[verykiasu2010]

markfch:

Musings & Ririan,


I think there is a cut-and-paste error in your posts. I didn't say those things that was attributed to me. My original post was deleted and limlim's subsequent reply was attributed to me.

this is a split off from the opinion on pri school registration thread...some spring clean by mod was done

[peanut_butter]

In Australia, full-time workers gets tons of benefits and minimum wages. Their government subsides training on the job so that companies would take in graduates or the unemployed. Many non-participating companies simply hire casual/part-time workers or put them in contract to save cost. My friend is an architect there. She's recently downgraded from being fully-employed to a 1 year contract.


If Singaporeans' demands are unrealistic, we might see similar trend, with citizens enjoying less job security. When degrees holders are plentiful, it gets harder to convince the employers that you are smarter than the rest. Unless you have skills that are scared, companies are probably more afraid that you overstay, than to see you go. :siam:

[Nebbermind]

with alot of work being outsourced in SG, there’s lesser and lesser job security. Employers will always be looking for cheaper alternative as the next contract wil be cheaper than the last.