DSA Appeal 2011

[MandyMummy]

Hi phankao, you got translator? Does it work for the article?

[Dr.050025K]

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Chenonceau:

Dr K., there is no need to be so hard hitting. This forum is characteristic in how we disagree respectfully. Using words such as \"elitism\" and \"selfish\" is unnecessary when putting across your point logically.


Accusing another's religion of \"subliminal brainwashing techniques that are institutionalized in conversion\" is also unnecessary. Whilst I don't agree with people who blame MOE for clamping down, I also don't think they should be lynched/insulted online unnecessarily. Just reasonably argue your point, leave out the unnecessarily incendiary terms and refrain from laughing at others heartfelt perspectives.

I suppose one might give in to the use of such terms once or twice in the heat of one's passion, but you have done this in multiple posts on the same thread. Further, no one has laughed at you contemptuously (as you have done) even though people may not agree with all you've written. Don't make this forum an unpleasant place to interact in.

A civil society allows for civil disagreement. Thank you...

Please read my post carefully and DON'T misquote and accuse me: I have never used \" elitism and selfish\" in any of my post except to quote others who had used it. \"
You may want to google and read about the Wesleys' and their methods before judging it as my quote. READ first before commenting please-an apology would be appropriate. I don't have anything personal but just expounding on discussion and ideas.It's a long way for some. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.Have a nice day.

[phankao]

MandyMummy:

Hi phankao, you got translator? Does it work for the article?

Urgh, I thot to use Google translator but need to copy it in. Doesn't seem to translate KSparents webpage

[clayman]

Dr.K:

clayman:

[quote=\"Dr.K\"]
MY Ds told me his friend chose ACS(I) through DSA.He got in but now regrets.Only when he went for the registration that he was told that there will be Bible studies half an hour every day. The fact is this kid is not a Christian and he detests it-frantically searching for another school to take him in. In this scenario-it was an honest mistake to accept CO and I think he has every right to appeal to another school on religious grounds.His fundamental rights on freedom of religion had been infringed because the school did not reveal that compulsory bible studies was part of the program. So I do agree in this situation that an appeal to transfer to another school should be granted by all means as provided for in the childs basic constitutional right.I also do understand non-Christians with very low T-scores (206)are accepted in to ACSI and some Christians with higher scores are rejected.Its obvious even to the dumb what the agenda is! So the crap of casting the first stone is just rubbish, rhetoric of the stone age to hide dubious motives.If those who have similar issues as the above Kid has a valid reason and it should be supported but not otherwise. I volunteer my services FOC on grounds of technicality as provided for in the constitution in this scenario. I am certain MOE hates seeing my face and would sort it out before I appear before them.Ha!Ha! :rotflmao:

Let me correct an untruth here.

Bible studies are not part of the curriculum. There is devotion time every morning, where the principal reads some announcements during assembly and quotes a passage from the bible. Hardly bible study if you ask me. A short prayer will be said, hardly lasting a minute. Non-christians can choose not to close their eyes and let their minds wander. :rotflmao: wow


Let's not go too far and talk about infringing on one's constitutional right. There are many non-christians in mission schools so not being comfortable and detesting (too strong a word in my opinion) may not be a valid reason here.

:rotflmao: wow

The so called UNTRUTH above is what is termed as subliminal brainwashing techniques that are institutionalized in conversion.(METHODS)I wonder why they are banned by the Church of England?

Lets be fair to the kid that there was a mistake and he can't handle bible quotes which he has to tolerate for 6 years, its best to let him go and he can practice Buddhism /Taoism or whatever he pleases-to infringe on this is a violation..In a similar scenario if your kid is in a similar situation but it is Koran being quoted daily what is your take on this? There should not be double standards.By Constitution there should not be any religion quoted or taught in schools but the govt had been closing an eye and letting things go by because they don't want to rock the boat. I wonder when all of us take the pledge what does that mean? This is a secular country. Be grateful for MOE tolerance and don't demand what should not be there in the first place. You can check it online and read it yourself-you are an educated and a reasonable person I presume-read it with an open mind without any bias. Get Enlightened. :celebrate:Let's have this healthy discussion on if you so wish without any prejudice and taking any side. I am looking at it from purely an academic point of view.[/quote]I did not know my reply warrants you to accuse the school of subliminal brainwashing techniques. It is totally uncalled for. Mission schools have been around way before Singapore became independent, so let's not talk about the government being tolerant and be glad as such.

Being a Dr. (and I hope you are one), you are an educated person, but your replies do say that you still have a long way to go in terms of EQ. The tone of your reply is bordering on bigotry.

I will end this discussion here as this is not the place to expound each other's beliefs. I hope I did not offend you and if you feel I did, I apologise.

I'm off to enjoy my new year's eve party and wishing one and all a very Happy 2012!!

[clayman]

phankao:

MandyMummy:

Hi phankao, you got translator? Does it work for the article?

Urgh, I thot to use Google translator but need to copy it in. Doesn't seem to translate KSparents webpage

Hi Phankao,
Taken directly off Google Translator, so pardon the grammatical errors.

Education Ministry to revise regulations to be more open and transparent (2011-12-31)
Peng Yuquan

PSLE distribute the dust settles, but this year it appeared to many parents and students are injured administrative error, the Ministry of Education to be open to the public an explanation.

Simply put, in the past in direct admission scheme (DSA) are under the early admission to the secondary students, is by virtue of results in the HKCEE after further the ideal school to another school made an application (appeal), the school itself can also taking appropriate circumstances and conditions. But this year the Ministry of Education has not announced to the public in advance, in that many parents and children change schools can also be made to apply in the case, stringent requirements of high school at the last moment to stop this practice, so many efforts to achieve good results and look forward to making the application children and parents stunned admiration error was deeply confused and opaque decision-making process at the expense, aroused strong criticism on the network.

Sign DSA in consent before the child's primary school had asked and was told in the examinations, the virtue of achievements of the school transfer application before signing DSA admission consent. At the same time, many parents and students understand and can apply to change schools are, and we signed the documents as well as primary in May this year to provide students with the file on DSA, DSA were not acceptable after the Ordinance shall not be marked applying for transfer. However, the Ministry of Education actually ignore all secondary schools in previous years, after examination of the \"grab a top student,\" the fact that the presence of DSA in the parents signed a consent form in late October after the ban was hastily sent to all secondary school transfer e-mail.

Past cases show, DSA change schools after the application for admission and not expressly prohibited, or even the Ministry of Education is permitted. Part of the school year, parents are told not to accept the application for transfer was very surprised, turned to ask the Ministry of Education, the Ministry of Education, yet the responsibility to the school, said the decision by the schools themselves, the Ministry of Education can not interfere, but private schools are not allowed to accept demands application. If you start to not accept, why some top schools also allow parents to apply and be charged 20 yuan fee? Is it blatant cheating? However, some schools, some do not accept just the extreme confusion!

In clarifying the context, we find that the Ministry of Education is the key decision-making process of hasty and irresponsible for parents and children. This relationship between the large interests of the child's future and a major shift, reasonable and mature decision-making process should be the first to obtain the consensus of all schools (in the past school independently, apparently there is no consensus on whether or not to accept applications for the Ministry of Education is not strictly prohibited), and through the mass media and schools clearly communicated to all parents and students, and then formally implemented in the next year, more appropriate.

But sad to find that such a major change in the decision, the Ministry of Education is a private email to the end of October after the school principal that counts, once implemented, parents and students all kept in the dark, the current performance of the students do well full of hope Transfer application has been made, even by an executive order issued by a piece of paper hastily frustrated. Death of a student's future education policy, even so \"the secret is not leaked,\" it was incredible.

Must be emphasized that our children attend the schools do not end prejudice. Ministry of Education to fight for an account to the public, so that students from non-transparent decision-making after the pain. An experienced, emphasizing meritocracy Ministry of Education, why would commit such a rough decision-making errors? School students and parents are confused and even in the case, change a practice for years, ignoring the interests of graduates and parents rushing their hard work? Why? Now a done deal, graduates interests to be sacrificed, and how to restore? Wrong decision-making process leading to damage the public interest, is a major problem, the Government should in-depth investigation, be held accountable.

[phankao]

clayman:

phankao:

[quote=\"MandyMummy\"]Hi phankao, you got translator? Does it work for the article?

Urgh, I thot to use Google translator but need to copy it in. Doesn't seem to translate KSparents webpage

Hi Phankao,
Taken directly off Google Translator, so pardon the grammatical errors.

Education Ministry to revise regulations to be more open and transparent (2011-12-31)
Peng Yuquan

PSLE distribute the dust settles, but this year it appeared to many parents and students are injured administrative error, the Ministry of Education to be open to the public an explanation.

Simply put, in the past in direct admission scheme (DSA) are under the early admission to the secondary students, is by virtue of results in the HKCEE after further the ideal school to another school made an application (appeal), the school itself can also taking appropriate circumstances and conditions. But this year the Ministry of Education has not announced to the public in advance, in that many parents and children change schools can also be made to apply in the case, stringent requirements of high school at the last moment to stop this practice, so many efforts to achieve good results and look forward to making the application children and parents stunned admiration error was deeply confused and opaque decision-making process at the expense, aroused strong criticism on the network.

Sign DSA in consent before the child's primary school had asked and was told in the examinations, the virtue of achievements of the school transfer application before signing DSA admission consent. At the same time, many parents and students understand and can apply to change schools are, and we signed the documents as well as primary in May this year to provide students with the file on DSA, DSA were not acceptable after the Ordinance shall not be marked applying for transfer. However, the Ministry of Education actually ignore all secondary schools in previous years, after examination of the \"grab a top student,\" the fact that the presence of DSA in the parents signed a consent form in late October after the ban was hastily sent to all secondary school transfer e-mail.

Past cases show, DSA change schools after the application for admission and not expressly prohibited, or even the Ministry of Education is permitted. Part of the school year, parents are told not to accept the application for transfer was very surprised, turned to ask the Ministry of Education, the Ministry of Education, yet the responsibility to the school, said the decision by the schools themselves, the Ministry of Education can not interfere, but private schools are not allowed to accept demands application. If you start to not accept, why some top schools also allow parents to apply and be charged 20 yuan fee? Is it blatant cheating? However, some schools, some do not accept just the extreme confusion!

In clarifying the context, we find that the Ministry of Education is the key decision-making process of hasty and irresponsible for parents and children. This relationship between the large interests of the child's future and a major shift, reasonable and mature decision-making process should be the first to obtain the consensus of all schools (in the past school independently, apparently there is no consensus on whether or not to accept applications for the Ministry of Education is not strictly prohibited), and through the mass media and schools clearly communicated to all parents and students, and then formally implemented in the next year, more appropriate.

But sad to find that such a major change in the decision, the Ministry of Education is a private email to the end of October after the school principal that counts, once implemented, parents and students all kept in the dark, the current performance of the students do well full of hope Transfer application has been made, even by an executive order issued by a piece of paper hastily frustrated. Death of a student's future education policy, even so \"the secret is not leaked,\" it was incredible.

Must be emphasized that our children attend the schools do not end prejudice. Ministry of Education to fight for an account to the public, so that students from non-transparent decision-making after the pain. An experienced, emphasizing meritocracy Ministry of Education, why would commit such a rough decision-making errors? School students and parents are confused and even in the case, change a practice for years, ignoring the interests of graduates and parents rushing their hard work? Why? Now a done deal, graduates interests to be sacrificed, and how to restore? Wrong decision-making process leading to damage the public interest, is a major problem, the Government should in-depth investigation, be held accountable.[/quote]Okie, thanks. So this is actually just a letter to the LHZB forum, written in by a parent.

[llbros545]

Dr K: As clayman has said, mission schools have been present for a long time already. Despite Singapore being a secular country, individual institutions of faith is allowed. Can you imagine a mission school not engaging in faith-related activities? That is totally unfathomable. The agenda you mentioned as ‘dumb to the obvious’ is truly a groundless accusation based only on a few loose numbers. The school will never impose upon the students forcefully their set of beliefs. Are the students forced to convert? No.

[phankao]

llbros545:

Dr K: As clayman has said, mission schools have been present for a long time already. Despite Singapore being a secular country, individual institutions of faith is allowed. Can you imagine a mission school not engaging in faith-related activities? That is totally unfathomable. The agenda you mentioned as 'dumb to the obvious' is truly a groundless accusation based only on a few loose numbers. The school will never impose upon the students forcefully their set of beliefs. Are the students forced to convert? No.

There are non-Christian teachers in Christian schools too!

[jtoh]

phankao:

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Okie, thanks. So this is actually just a letter to the LHZB forum, written in by a parent.

Yes it is. I was reading on a forum whose participants are mainly PRC that they were planning to write a letter to LHZB. Maybe this is the letter.

[mum_sugoku]

MandyMummy:

From Lianhe Zaobao


教育部修改条规应更加公开透明（2011-12-31)
彭玉荃

　　小六会考分发尘埃落定，不过今年却出现令许多家长和学生很受伤的行政失误，有待教育部公开向大众解释。

　　简单地说，以往在直接收生计划（DSA）下提前被中学录取的学生，是可以在会考后凭借成绩，进一步向心目中的理想学校提出转校申请（appeal）的，学校也可以根据本身的情况和条件酌情录取。但今年教育部在事先没有对大众公布、在许多家长和孩子都以为还可以提出转校申请的情况下，在最后关头严厉要求中学停止这一惯例，令许多努力争取好成绩，期待提出申请的孩子和家长错愕不已，深感遭到错误混乱与不透明的决策过程所牺牲，在网络上引起强烈批评。

　　我们在签署DSA同意书前，曾向孩子的小学询问，被告知可以在会考后，凭成绩提出转校申请后，才签下DSA录取同意书。在这同时，许多家长和学生的了解也都是可以申请转校，而我们所签下的文件以及小学在今年5月提供给学生关于DSA的文件中，均未有条例注明接受DSA后不得申请转校。但教育部竟无视往年各中学在考后进行的“抢尖子生”事实的存在，在家长10月底签下DSA同意书后，才匆促向各中学发出禁止转校的电邮。

　　过往情况显示，DSA录取后的转校申请并没有明文禁止，甚至可以说教育部是允许的。今年家长被部分学校告知不能接受转校申请感到非常错愕，转而询问教育部时，教育部却把责任推给中学，说由中学自行决定,教育部无法干涉，但又私下要求学校不准接受申请。如果一开始就不能接受，何以某顶尖名校还让家长提出申请并收取20元手续费？岂不是公然欺骗？而有的学校接受，有的不接受，简直混乱到极点！

　　在理清整个脉络之后，我们发现关键在于教育部决策过程的草率与对家长和孩子的不负责任。如此关系大群孩子前途与利益的重大转变，合理与成熟的决策过程应该是先取得所有学校的共识（过去各校各自为政，显然在接受申请与否是没有共识的，教育部也没有严格禁止），并通过大众媒体和学校清楚明确传达给所有家长与学生，然后在下一年度正式实施，比较妥当。

　　但我们痛心地发现，如此重大的变化决定，教育部却是在10月底私下电邮给中学校长后就以为算数，立刻实行，家长学生全蒙在鼓里，本届考得好成绩的学生满怀希望已经提出转校申请后，竟因一纸匆促发出的行政命令而落空。一个攸关学生前途的教育政策，竟然如此“天机不可泄漏”，令人匪夷所思。

　　必须强调，我们对孩子最终入读的学校没有偏见。要争取的是教育部给社会大众的一个交待，让以后的学生免遭不透明决策之苦。一个经验丰富、强调精英管理的教育部，何以会犯下这么粗糙决策的失误？在学生和家长甚至学校都搞不清楚的情况下，改变一个行之多年的惯例，无视应届毕业生的权益和家长奔波的辛劳？为什么？现在木已成舟，应届毕业生权益被牺牲，如何挽回？决策程序错误导致公众利益受损害，是重大问题，政府应深入调查，追究责任。

Wonder if the allegations that

1. upon queried, their children's pri school had assured them (parents) that DSA students can still request for transfer based on PSLE result,

2. MOE claimed to have no say in the transfer of DSA students and decision lies with the DSA schools solely,

3. MOE had privately conveyed the \"no transfer with immediate effect\" order via email to principals of DSA schools only in Oct \"last\" year (2011?) - after students had submitted their DSA options, (BTW how did the writer manage to know about the supposedly \"private\" email?)

are true. If so then it seems MOE is at fault for failing to communicate their directives to schools and parents/students clearly enough.